Comments on: Psychology Meets Religion (Part 1) http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/03/22/psychology-meets-religion-part-1/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: GerardoR http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/03/22/psychology-meets-religion-part-1/#comment-1841 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:32:00 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=2509#comment-1841 Hi Ben, Yeah John and I live in the same area. Let me know when you would like to meet up. I am on spring break so I am very free.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/03/22/psychology-meets-religion-part-1/#comment-1840 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:42:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=2509#comment-1840 Oops, sorry for calling you Geraldo, instead of Gerardo. Me bad.

Here’s another quote by Spurgeon for you to chew on: “Free will I have often heard of, but I have never seen it. I have always met with will, and plenty of it, but it has either been led captive by sin or held in the blessed bonds of grace.”

Just wondering, Gerardo, if you’re in Chicago, which you seem to be, I think with John Y, let’s have coffee one of these days, if you have some time and availability.

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By: GerardoR http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/03/22/psychology-meets-religion-part-1/#comment-1839 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:27:41 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=2509#comment-1839 There is an interesting Poem Ravi Zacharias quotes that I think illustrates this point well:

“Have you a new sheet for me, dear teacher? I’ve spoiled this one.”….
I took his sheet, all soiled and blotted….
And gave him a new one all unspotted…..
And into his tired heart I cried,….
“Do better now, my child.”….

I went to the throne with a trembling heart, The day was done…..
“Have you a new day for me, dear Master? I’ve spoiled this one.”….
He took my day, all soiled and blotted….
And gave me a new one all unspotted…..
And into my tired heart he cried,….
“Do better now, my child.”….

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By: GerardoR http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/03/22/psychology-meets-religion-part-1/#comment-1838 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:27:11 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=2509#comment-1838 I really like that Ben. Yes, Christ does it all but we choose how we respond to his grace. “Be it done to me according to thy will.”

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/03/22/psychology-meets-religion-part-1/#comment-1837 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:19:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=2509#comment-1837 Great thoughts and reflection, Geraldo. See Phil 2:12,13. Basically, God works in you 100%, and you work it out 100%. It’s never 50-50, or any other proportion.

Here’s a John Piper quote I just read today: “The link between Christ canceling my sin on the cross and my sin being conquered is a Holy Spirit empowered will.”

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By: GerardoR http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/03/22/psychology-meets-religion-part-1/#comment-1836 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:57:34 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=2509#comment-1836 Interestingly, the NYTimes published an article related to this. The article explore the topic of how a belief in free will can affect behavior. Several psychologist and experimental philosophers found that people who either reject free will or are influenced to believe that free will is false typically do worst in their jobs, are less honest, cut themselves some moral slack and are more likely to cheat if they are given the chance.

The article goes on to suggest that doubting ones free will may undermine the sense of self as an agent. So related to this article, I wonder how a Calvinist who might struggle deeply with sin, musters up the will to continue to try to pursue a relationship with Jesus. I always wondered whether a calvanist who stumbles a lot would take that as a sign that they must not be one of the saved. I guess it would make for an interesting question to study the behavior of devout Calvanist who struggle deeply vs. those who struggle less so.
I must admit, my understanding of determinism in calvanism is very poor but it always seemed that if I believed that I have no free will and God pre chose those who will be saved, then I would take my many failures as evidence that I may not be one of the saved.
Along a similar vein, I remember often rebuked myself for simply being a “worthless sinner” who could not be saved when I was younger. Even now, I sometimes fall into this trap when I consistently return to my own vomit. I am tempted to think that my struggle with this or that particular sin will never be over. However, much of this changes when I  ask myself “are you really trying to change?”
When I ask myself this question, I realize that much of my inability to overcome sin is a result of a poor prayer life or lack of effort on my part. Hence, instead of thinking “it is hopeless, God have mercy on me” I find myself energized to change if I actually try and run the race and believe that holiness is something that comes through effort. I am here referring to effort in terms of maintaining a relationship with God not raising yourself up by your own moral bootstraps. One of the things Mother Theresa taught her nuns was that we are called to be faithful and not  successful. That is, we are judged by how we respond to our struggles with sin despite all our many obstacles and not whether we can completely overcome them (though we are called to overcome). God takes into our account our circumstance and does not judge everyone to the same standard.  
I have often been scared and comforted by William Law’s statement that when we look at our life and evaluate why we are not a Saint we find that, “the only reason you are not a Saint is that you do not wholly want to be.”
I often find more comfort in this statement in the idea that God has chosen those who are to be saved and those who wont. So if your part of the former, then great! Continue living a faithful life. But if your part of the latter, it’s too bad for you but you should continue to try to live a faithful life. Again, I may be twisting what Calvin actually taught. Either way, you wont know so you should hope for the best.

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By: David L http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/03/22/psychology-meets-religion-part-1/#comment-1835 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:37:13 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=2509#comment-1835 I struggle with this when it comes to Mormons. I have thought many times, “Why do those people believe some of that stuff since there is zero proof or even evidence that Joseph Smith found a golden tablet from heaven etc…” I have even questioned the intelligence of Mormons for believing it, but of course, there are brilliant people that come from Utah! Just as there are brilliant Atheists and Christians and dim witted ones too.  

So I don’t think faith, and the issues of faith, have as much to do with intelligence as with the heart. God is able to make the simple, wise, but wisdom has less to do with knowledge and more to do with how a person lives their life. So if a someone is not doing well spiritually, I don’t think that it is because they are dumb necessarily, but because they need more wisdom. Although, now that I think about it, Solomon was the wisest man who ever lived except for Jesus, and yet look at how his life was! (Gerardo, I still love you in Christ even if you do not love me:)

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