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Yes the story resonates with every ubfer who has been there over 5 years. After 5 years or so, the “party’s over”.

And yes, I was there in Toledo with James and Rebecca, and Rebecca’s story is true. And our friend Desiree (who commented many times in the Voy forums) from Toledo was an eye-witness to the events Rebecca speaks of. Desiree can and has confirmed all of it from her firsthand knowledge.

Here’s a critical look at the “apology”…sounds all too familiar to me :( Lot’s of good Christian words but no fundamental change or actual godly sorrow. Seems like the Exodus guy apologizing might still believe that God’s greatest desire for every gay person is that they cease to be gay.

“So, as I say, I’m just a tad confused. Not once in your speech— which I’ll be the first to say was veritably jammed with talk about God and forgiveness and healing and welcoming and redemption and reconciliation and peace and love and joy and salvation— did I hear you express regret for you and Exodus having spent over three decades helping to destroy the lives of gay people and their families through your peddling and capitalizing upon the message that God’s greatest desire for every gay person is that they cease to be gay.

I heard you say that you regret the way in which Exodus communicated that message. I heard you say that you regret the way in which people now think of Exodus. I heard you say how proud you are of Exodus. And I definitely heard you repeatedly say that it’s high time for the church to start welcoming gay people, and all others who are marginalized and “in need.””

Source: John Shore open letter

“I just need to increasingly learn how to do so with fear and trembling and with humility and tears rather than with anger and with deadly self-righteousness.”

I think the solution is to study about the prophets. Ezekiel, Hosea and Jeremiah are so helpful in this regard. Surrendering to grace and listening to the Spirit’s guidance is critical in order to avoid self-righteousness and to speak out boldly. I’ve learned to speak out when the Spirit does not constrain me. There have been so many more words I wanted to say, but the Spirit restrained me from sharing.

* Christ is the head of the church.
* Jesus did not separate the wheat from the weeds before the harvest.
* UBF does not deny Christ or the Bible.
* There are many “sincere sinners” in UBF.
* My own children and possibly some of my grandchildren will likely remain in UBF.
* I want to be a voice that speaks up and speaks out. I just need to increasingly learn how to do so with fear and trembling and with humility and tears rather than with anger and with deadly self-righteousness.
* To those in UBF who want me to leave UBF, I say this, “If you have a problem with me being in UBF, you can leave.” :-)

ubf tries to show its show, but inside it is “FULL of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness”. Sometimes I simply can not understand how others’ consciences (which normally should tend to be in light and “cleanness”) allow them to stay in ubf.

I personally avoided and ignored the testimonies of those who left ubf. I agreed that they were “unthankful”. I thought, “Why don’t they think that it was through ubf that God worked in them and saved them?! Why are they not humble before the fact?”. But when I stopped avoiding and ignoring the testimonies I began to see that my conscience is fully on the side of those who left ubf. (There are a few strange testimonies I don’t like but the most of them are worthy of careful attention).

Now when I read the gospels I see how the religious leaders always tried to just silence the Voice of truth, even to kill Jesus, instead of having Godly Sorrow and repentance. ubf leaders also are just trying to ignore and silence the voices of truth which are so many.

Tebow tells his fans, “I do care!”. ubf leader use to “say”, “We don’t really care, there is another side of the story”. But all the sides of the story are one darker than the other.

Blood of many Abels are crying out for justice. (Gen 4:10-11). Shut down ubf, if that is what is required for true godly sorrow, just as Exodus International did. Time is up. Leave Babylon.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2013/06/20/exodus-international-apologizes/

we all know the song: And the voice of truth says “Do not be afraid!”…I will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth

false prophets were saying: ‘peace, peace, live as you please (idolatry/injustice/etc) & God will bless you anyway’

THE VOICE OF TRUTH: unrepentant religious would rather kill true voices than change own wrong ways & lose excessive benefits;

but the Lord is coming, coming on the clouds!

Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Martin Luther just a few past VOICES: let’s be enduring voices, no matter what, to the glory of God alone! Amen

we may be killed, but our VOICES would speak even louder from the grave:)
HALLELUJAH!

if religion can’t obey God, perhaps it should be abolished & replaced by direct to Christ spirituality with mere gathering for fellowship/worship, minimal donation, true housechurch living, true self-supporting lifestyle of ALL, etc…

in other words religion has repeatedly proven it can’t manage power & $ (as bad as world, or worse at times) so is found wanting (lacking) & declared unsuitable

Like you, I was shocked when I read these testimonies. But I was even more shocked to find that my fellow UBFers totally ignored them, were indifferent or dismissed every such report in a lump-sum as “slander”. There was no sign of sorrow about these things, only the sorrow that they had been published.

That is a good parallel example. As we learn facts about situations, I for one would prefer clear my conscience, apologize for wrong, and do whatever possible to make things right this side of heaven. Standing before God on judgment day with excuses or trusting in my own understanding of various doctrines isn’t something I want do.

no time for religious games: it’s time for all to do right or get out; believers must unite under 1 head, Christ; competition has no place in religion: standing on opposite sides of a canyon & saying “I will defeat you!” is studpidity from the pit of hell that only echoes back;

time has run out: if Spirit/diplomacy is losing, then legal action must be immediately taken to save whatever remains of people’s lives: if campuses can’t manage themselves due to politics & $, then they must be managed..if churches can’t manage themselves due to politics & $, then they must be managed..immediately..