Comments on: Not Understanding Older Brother Sins http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/22/not-understanding-older-brother-sins/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: c http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/22/not-understanding-older-brother-sins/#comment-14625 Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:32:21 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8181#comment-14625 It’s interesting that there is a general difficulty to understand the older brother in this parable because it is given in response to the Pharisees and the teachers and the law who didn’t understand why Jesus was welcoming the “sinners” who were gathering to him. It follows the other lost and found (with joy) parables. When messages were given on this passage, it was usually with a call or persuasion for those the messenger thinks are of the younger brother’s ways and need to come to their senses and return. The older brother is a kind of after thought. And sometimes the message didn’t even cover the verses at the end with the older brother because it didn’t fit what the messenger wanted to communicate. The sins of the younger brother and the place he finally ended up where he came back to his senses are obviously greatly exaggerated for the purpose of bringing out the issue with the older brother who lacks joy at his brother’s return and doesn’t understand his father’s actions.

At one conference we were tasked with making a play about this passage. We split it up into two plays, one for the younger brother and one for the older brother, each having their own story. The older brother’s story turned out to be much more interested and the younger brother’s story boring and played out. We tried to find ways to avoid the conventional party scenes that look ridiculous, and which attempt to get cheap laughs. We didn’t feel that it was honest or connected with people, especially to make them feel sorry for their sins and want to repent.

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/22/not-understanding-older-brother-sins/#comment-14610 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 12:44:15 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8181#comment-14610 Very good points, ffy.

The rule is actually that only public sins should be confessed publicy, i.e. if you somehow sinned against the whole community or sinned in your position as an elder or pastor. Private sins should be kept private if possible. Mt 18:15 says: “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you.”

When public confession of sins becomes a ritual in high-pressure groups like UBF, this is not Biblical and problematic. Not for nothing it is also one of the points in Lifton’s famous “eight criteria for thought reform” – it is a typical practice of cults and mind control groups. It is also practiced in totalist regimes like Mao’s China and North Korea.

This is because it creates and atmosphere of fear and feelings of unworthyness and indebtedness, while leaders have full control. Those who regularly confess start to feel that they are so sinful and unworthy that they never may criticize anybody else. While the leaders, who only take part in the confession ritual as listeners, exploit their knowledge of sins to subdue their followers. The fact that the leaders do not confess their sins while all the others do also sends the subliminal message that they are sinless servants of God that have to be copied and obeyed while all the others are imperfect.

I can testify that my chapter leader never shared his own sogam during these weekly sessions, but always only listened to the sogams of the members. Also, I have never heared a confession of sins by other leaders like Samuel Lee. On some occasions, I heared confession of “cold sins” by leaders (like e.g. in a mission report), but even that was rare and usually only served to boast about their spiritual mindset.

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By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/22/not-understanding-older-brother-sins/#comment-14607 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 01:42:18 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8181#comment-14607 I have spoken with a few people and it seems like testimonies usually include a public confession of sins. In my experience (and the experience of others I have talked to). “Cold sins” are ok to confess but not “hot sins”. “Hot sins” become “sin problems”. A recounting of a pornography addiction or past anger towards a friend might get you labled with a “lust problem” or “anger problem”. But if your sin is something like “I don’t fish enough.” or “I am very proud of the fact I have raised so many disciples.” then that is ok.

To be honest I don’t like the public confession of sins in testimonies. It is not something that is confortable. The Catholics have always understood the dangers in public confession. I agree that confession is good, just not publicly- and this includes privately, and then gossiped publicly.

As for me and my brother, my brother is very much the “hot sinner”. He has been caught selling drugs, was suspended weekly for fighting during school. He is the sterotypical “bad person”. I on the other hand have a tendency towards pride and gossip. Which is better? I am not sure, but most theologians have considered pride the worst, including St. Augustine who was very much a “hot sinner” in his relations with women.

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