Comments on: How big is your binder? http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: friend http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15161 Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:56:17 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15161 **the comment on laptops was not meant to be a snub but just an interesting sidenote. Despite all our advances in technology, it seems that we’re discovering some old fashioned ways were better for us after all not just in education but also in health.

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By: friend http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15160 Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:53:08 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15160 Hi, it’s been so long I forgot my password! Or else early form of memory loss… things have been hard to keep track of lately…

anyway, I like your reflections. Binders are a big part of UBF history/culture. I myself started keeping one from elementary school. It was very difficult to write reflections so I was proud of them and wanted to keep them safe and organized.

I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with keeping your notes organized for future reference or to keep track of progress. Writing itself is becoming a lost art form in today’s society. Not just writing, but the reflective kind seems especially foreign to many children. Recently, I read an article that notes taken on laptops in a college classroom are inferior to those taken by hand in terms of acquiring and retaining new information.

after 20+ years of writing my reflections, I can now say I enjoy writing them and they are a great way to understand myself, God’s message, and his love for me. Keyverse testimonies have been wonderful opportunities to set new goals and see God’s hand of guidance in my life and his answers to prayer. If binders are a way to save those precious moments with God and discoveries into his word, I don’t see any reason to feel ashamed or embarrassed about binders.

However, if they have become a means to show off or be recognized, or if you feel they hold the key to helping someone come to Christ or affecting change on a person, then it’s best to throw them away. People are inclined to look for a formula for all sorts of things, including faith in Christ. But there is no such formula especially when it comes to a person’s individual encounter with God. I once took down my Bible teacher’s words from Bible study down on paper and saved them in a binder because they were so life-changing for me. However when I repeated them to others, it gave them some new insight, but it was not as life-changing as it was for me. Since then I realized we cannot depend on past experience or our past notes to hold any water for any other person we come into contact with. Everything is personal according to the plan God has for each of us.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15141 Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:38:01 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15141 What follows in Matthew 5 is one of the “but not so with you…” passages. One of the most helpful bible study questions I found in the past 3 years has been this: “What are the ‘but not so with you’ teachings of Jesus and how can we apply them?” Maybe that’s a good topic for a ubfriends article….:)

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15140 Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:35:52 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15140 These binder displays, which are usually prominently displayed in ubf houses, remind me now of Matthew 23:5-7.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15139 Sun, 07 Sep 2014 20:37:23 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15139 Chris, Maybe u had told me b4 but I don’t remember. Did u have a website that had both German and English translations? I remember seeing that German/English website over a decade ago.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15138 Sun, 07 Sep 2014 18:41:49 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15138 In today’s conversion rates, that is about $130,000. Yea, sometimes we former ubf leaders are a TAD bitter.

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15137 Sun, 07 Sep 2014 15:44:11 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15137 To be clear since I used the German notation: That’s one hundred thousand Euros, not one hundred Euros.

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15136 Sun, 07 Sep 2014 15:42:31 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15136 forest, the letter was sent to all UBF coworkers at that time, I still have my copy. There were many more questionable passages in these yearly letter. Some of the letters even contained faked photos e.g. showing a much larger audience at conferences than was really there.

Note that UBF has many websites and even a museum devoted to the “heritage” of Samuel Lee. You would expect that his real writings would be archived and made available there. But that’s not the case. They don’t publish his newsletters and circulars, since it would reveal too clearly how warped his views were.

I once had a website with archives of UBF letters and testimonies of abuse, but then UBF lawyers threatended me with a lawsuit of 100.000 Euro amount in dispute for copyright violation, violation of privacy, libel etc. Though I would have possibly won the lawsuit, as a private person with a job and a family I don’t have the time and nerves to go through that, and cannot afford a legal protection insurance and expensive lawyers like UBF who were obviously paying them from offering money.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15134 Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:24:35 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15134 Forests, there WOULD be an online source for this… if a certain ubf director had NOT SUED Chris to get his website removed.

No worry though. We are working to get his content refined and republished :)

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15133 Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:21:32 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15133 Yeah, Chris, I’m often amazed at how you keep track of these things after more than a decade!

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By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15131 Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:13:55 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15131 Do you have a source for this? Is the letter published anywhere?

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15125 Sat, 06 Sep 2014 22:45:40 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15125 ha ha! yes indeed.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15124 Sat, 06 Sep 2014 22:45:20 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15124 Ah yes the DATEBOOK! I forgot all about that! We had no requirements around those, as long as we all wrote down all the names of “sheep” and wrote down all the prayer topics, no one cared what datebook we used. There was one shepherd though who always gave out free datebooks each January… there was quite a bit of peer pressure to use his datebook, but it was not the strict requirement like the white binders were.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15123 Sat, 06 Sep 2014 22:40:26 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15123 I’m sure you are correct Ben, your binders weigh more than my binders… but the king of binders is this former ubf leader: free bible study notes. He is still creating and answering ubf-style question sheets all these years later…

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15121 Sat, 06 Sep 2014 20:31:00 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15121 SL told this story of weighing binders publicly many many times over the years: “At that time, there were too many shepherds for me to check all of their Daily Bread notes, so I collected their notebooks and weighed them. The shepherd whose notebook weighed the most got a prize and the one whose notebook weighed the least was punished.” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#sthash.tQUo78QG.dpuf

Not to brag or anything, but I likely have more, bigger and thicker binders than all of you combined (every week for 27 years!). :D

By learning/trying to see things GHF (instead of GHE), optimistically and positively (rather than pessimistically and negatively), I would simply say this:

“If not for 27 years of weekly testimony writing, I would not be the avid, passionate, enthusiastic, daily blogger that I am today.”

I can’t speak for others, but in the words of Francis Bacon, those years of writing (which continues to this day in a different form), have sharpened and enriched my life: http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/21/reading-discussing-writing/

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15119 Sat, 06 Sep 2014 18:05:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15119 Of course, the tradtion of these binders and measuring spirituality with the thickness of the binders goes back to Samuel Lee. Here is a passage from Samuel Lee’s Christmas letter 2000 in which he wrote about the early years of UBF:

“In Seoul we concentrated on studying the word of God. Each week we held a shepherds’ meeting. We listened to a Bible message, wrote Bible study reports – testimonies – and shared them. We also wrote Daily Bread freely. Each semester there was a Shepherds’ conference. At that time, there were too many shepherds for me to check all of their Daily Bread notes, so I collected their notebooks and weighed them. The shepherd whose notebook weighed the most got a prize and the one whose notebook weighed the least was punished.”

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15118 Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:56:28 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15118 Instead of binders, we had notepads, preferably with the emblem of some elite university in US or Korea. We got them as presents from our shepherds or bought them as souvenirs on “mission journeys”. And yes, the preferred way of using them was to cut out the questions from the questionnaire, glue them on the notepad page and then write shallow answers and Bible quotes underneath. These notepads also contained our weekly shared sogams. Some members wrote many pages every week, but 2 pages was the absolute minimum. Our “Abraham of faith” had already accumulated several meters of such notepads when I joined. It would be really interesting to see his collection now, about 25 years later.

Another obligatory item was the datebook. Our color for these was black, not white. In the datebooks, we wrote our appointments for 1:1, the “prayer topics” we were given by our leaders and notes during SWS and fellowship meetings.

A UBF shepherd was always expected to have his datebook at hand. I remember how I once was bawled out heavily in front of all on a mission journey when I did not have that datebook at hand when our national director announced prayer topics.

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By: schwinn_meridian http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15117 Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:39:15 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15117 Wonder what UBF would have thought of this guy: http://youtu.be/wfrTLoTIbPM

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By: schwinn_meridian http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/09/06/how-big-is-your-binder/#comment-15116 Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:36:42 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8324#comment-15116 Binder envy?

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