Comments on: Matthew 15 http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/27/matthew-15/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/27/matthew-15/#comment-19225 Sun, 30 Aug 2015 02:19:10 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9468#comment-19225 “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” – Mark Twain

I want to make a tie between this article and the tales of Huckleberry Finn. In “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn”, the antagonists are Tom Sawyer and Widow Douglas. Huck Finn calls their homes “smothery houses.” While, Tom constantly tells Huck what is “regular,” “considered best,” “the correct thing to do,” i.e. normal tradition. But that is the greatest enemy, complacency, laziness and self-righteousness.

I like this article because you mention the danger of tradition. Tradition can be the most dangerous enemy because one never notices it; everyone accepts it. It is the hidden poison that is sitting right next to you in church. Just like the the tradition of slavery that lasted for 200 years in the US (Twin abhorred it). It was the status quo.

I like your last statement, “Perhaps there is a certain maturity I have yet to reach where I take all of this with the right amount of levity, but I find that I have the same tendency to asset my religiousness over others.”

We will never be perfect on this side of heaven.
But life is more interesting when there are challenges and growth. Self-development never ends, once it ends we become stagnant and that leads to death.

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By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/27/matthew-15/#comment-19221 Sun, 30 Aug 2015 01:58:19 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9468#comment-19221 Yeah that is a good assessment. One telling reaction was after the messenger gave a message over this passage, which focused mostly on honoring your parents and having a good heart, someone (not me, my former roommate’s father) asked the messenger if he saw this issue of ubf tradition being like what the pharisees were doing in this passage. The person (I can’t make this up) *laughed* and said “Well UBF is only 50 years old so it doesn’t have traditions.”

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/27/matthew-15/#comment-19142 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:51:01 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9468#comment-19142 Oh and best of luck forests in challenging the marriage-by-faith tradition! If you feel like writing a book afterward, let me know.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/27/matthew-15/#comment-19141 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:47:45 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9468#comment-19141 Thanks for this rather timely article, forests. I want to make sure I understand your points.

It seems to me that your main point is about the topic of hypocrisy and how it relates to tradition. You seem to be saying that we all need to be aware of this, and that Jesus exposed hypocrisy as a major problem of the Jewish leaders. Is that a fair assessment?

Hypocrisy

I like these two statements you made:

“In the Pharisee’s minds the traditions were now authoritative and could be sinned against. In other words, a tradition was held coequal to the scripture.”

> This is indeed a major problem, found in many parts of Christendom. Making Tradition and Scripture co-equal is not something I see stemming from Christ’s teachings. What I do see is more of the Wesley Quadrangle, where Tradition, Scripture, Reason and Experience all work together to understand humanity and the world around us. In the Karcher Pentagram, I add the Holy Spirit into the mix. I really think all 5 components need to be weighed in order to avoid the pitfall you point out.

“They do this because they love God, but they undermine this when they neglect the gift God has given to them.”

> Great, succinct summary of the religious leader’s main problem! They loved God, but they undermined that love by neglecting the gift of God. That is a powerful statement. In fact, that is a good way to summarize my entire book about to be published. When we were steeped in UBFism, we did love God, but we undermined that love repeatedly. All the good things we experienced at ubf were tainted by this neglect. That is what I rail against.

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By: c http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/27/matthew-15/#comment-19139 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:37:05 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9468#comment-19139 “I had a man tell me once if I missed a daily bread meeting to see my mother who has cancer I would love her more than God and when I mentioned we are to honor thy father and mother I was told that Jesus said to hate our father.”

This does not surprise me at all, and I fully believe it happened. In fact, a long time ago I also told a sheep a similar thing who went to visit and help his single mother during Sunday worship times. I think I quoted Philippians 2:21. Ouch. I’m so sorry for that.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/27/matthew-15/#comment-19135 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:24:40 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9468#comment-19135 In UBF, it is virtually a law/tradition that the older/oldest senior leader absolutely needs his subordinates (virtually everyone else, except perhaps his own children) to always clear things with him in order to receive his permission, blessing, consent, approval, clearance, etc.

If you fail to do so, expect some wrath, rebuke, retribution, disapproving comment, “training,” gossip, slander, etc, coming your way. In my opinion, this is driving many mavericks, committed and innovative young people away.

Is it any wonder why some/many older leaders “hate” UBFriends?? Oh, some also do not like Wikipedia! Apparently, many have repeatedly tried to alter the unfavorable comments about UBF!

Such accounts are almost as varied as there are UBF chapters: “I had a man tell me once if I missed a daily bread meeting to see my mother who has cancer I would love her more than God and when I mentioned we are to honor thy father and mother I was told that Jesus said to hate our father. Thus he nullified the Law for the sake of a tradition.” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/27/matthew-15/#more-9468

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