Comments on: Coming Home to Elfland http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-411 Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:17:33 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-411 I never understood fairy stories/tales. But I heard Tim Keller explain CS Lewis and Tolkien, and I preached one of his sermons from Genesis, where God said to barren Sarah, “Is anything too hard (wonderful) for the Lord?” (Gen 18:14): http://bentohwestloop.blogspot.com/2011/06/wonder-of-laughter-gen-181-15-211-7.html

I struggled to read Elfland, because of the old English. I learned that no one, Christian or not, can have joy without wonder. When I lose the wonder of Christ in my soul, Christian life become habitual and torturous. It is even more torturous when I know I should have love, joy and peace (Gal 5:22), if I don’t experience it deeply.

I finally forced myself to watch my first Harry Potter movie, Hallows Pt 1. Surprisingly I liked it mainly because of the Elf’s sacrifice to save Harry and his friends. In reading reviews it seemed that a prominent theme of Rowling is the sacrifice of Harry’s mom, Harry’s teacher, and finally even Harry himself, for the sake of others. What a central Christian theme!

Countless people love the Potter movies (8 Billion in ticket sales and counting!). But outside of the wonder of a relationship with Christ, the “feeling of wonder” will fade. Thus, the ongoing continuing craving for more wonders in alternate forms, especially in entertainment, the arts and sports.

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By: GerardoR http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-410 Sat, 30 Jul 2011 02:03:19 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-410 I once read an interesting article that argued that Christians should critesize fantasy novels where magic is used to elevate man to selfish means and to subdue the elements as opposed to novels where magic is used to battle evil. I think under this criteria, harry potter would walk the line whereas LOTR would not.

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By: Noah http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-409 Sat, 30 Jul 2011 01:21:33 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-409 Hello, Tuf! Nice Article. I love it! I’ve read it just recently. Honestly, I couldn’t agree more. Most Christians over criticized almost all the fantasy novels especially Harry Potter.If only they’ve read the whole series they’ll see how J.K. Rowling shows 1 Corinthians 3:1-10, especially verse 7 which says “Love never gives up,never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.” As you see, the novel end up with a great conclusion and a lesson which I hope all the fans would realize.

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By: Henoch http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-408 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:40:27 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-408 Tuf, thanks for the wonderful article! i think it is very interesting that the word “magic” is used in this setting. Whereas i think i do understand what Chesterton meant when he used this word i also understand why many Christians, including myself, would probably never use this word in a Christian context…
Do you think that the term “spiritual reality” might also be appropriate? In one of his messages on John’s gospel, Tim Keller mentioned the great difference between believers and unbelievers: people who reject the lordship of Christ must try to neglect and ignore the reality in order to find some comfort in difficult times. But for Christians it is the opposite: it is meditating of the reality of Christ that provides comfort and rest for our souls. It is Truth that provides peace and amazement and wonder and…

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By: Gerardo R http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-407 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:29:30 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-407 Tuf,
I think this Christian “magic” is what drew me back into the Catholic church. When I took a second look at the Catholic church from an outsiders perspective, I was baffled how such an enormousness intellect like Thomas Aquinas could practice such a seemingly superstitious form of prayer as the rosary. I remembered my catechism class teaching me about how the saints pray to Jesus for me. Listen to all this made my mind fill with awe and wonder.

I would pass by the store and see candles with an image of Saint Michael slaying the devil. Hear of a local priest that had to perform an exercism to free a child from the shackles of satan. Or read stories of people who were saved from horrendous car accidents and claimed that their guardian angel helped them.

I read books like the flowers of Saint Francis which told of how Saint Frances sparked a deal with Brother Wolf so that he could stop attacking the local villages. Watched movies like “Our Lady of Fatima” which retell the story of the Miracle of the sun and the prophesies of our Lady.

I have listen to nun’s talk about their marriage to Jesus, heard priest consecrate a host so that it may become the body and blood of Christ, been sprayed with holy water and celebrated many a Mass with the smell of incense in the air and the chant, “Holy, Holy, Holy Lord, God of Power and Might! Heaven and Earth are full of your Glory.”

In short, part of what called me back to the Catholic church was the magic with Chesterton described in the book which parallels his own journal to Rome. I feel like I am telling you my testimony here =)
I guess I am just trying to say that I have been spiritually rejuvenated so many times by meditating on the “magic” of the Catholic Church and my fellowship with My Father in Heaven, my Savior Jesus Christ, my brothers the Saints and immaculate mother.

Tuf, could you tell us more about the magic you experience in your daily walk with Christ? Thank you again for writing this wonderful article.

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By: Gerardo R http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-406 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:07:32 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-406 Hi Dr. Bill,
I have heard of Ravi Zacharia’s talk on this many times myself. I must say, I am a big fan of Ravi’s work but he totally plagiarized G.K. Chesterton. I was actually a bit upset that he didnt give him more credit for his ideas. C.S. Lewis also plagiarized G.K. Chesterton on his Liar, Lunatic or Lord argument.

Oh well, atleast they spread his ideas through their works. I am sure Chesterton would be quite flattered. =)

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By: Tuf http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-405 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:28:25 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-405 I often feel this way too, that is why I wrote this piece. To be reminded of the magic I had when I was first a Christian.

Not that I want the unbridled and somewhat naive giddyness of early Christianity back, but the joylessness of a “spiritual grind” really saps the depth and the joy of Christ out of life.

Anyway, I know He is present and I look forward to better days of basking in His love again.

Thanks, and I am glad you enjoyed it.

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By: Tuf http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-404 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:25:12 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-404 Can Man Live Without God is one of my favorite books!

I never thought I could find an author I liked as much as Lewis, but I did.

Thanks for the excerpt.

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By: Tuf http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-403 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:23:52 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-403 I haven’t read Ball and the Cross, but I will, thanks.

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By: Abraham Nial http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-402 Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:11:38 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-402 Nice article Tuf! I am not sure whether the miracles in the Bible can be called magic, but I think both are supernatural. What I am realizing over a period of time is my Christian walk is supposed to be full of wonders and miracles and exciting works of God, but somehow it has been reduced to cerebral christianity devoid of feelings and experiences. I write and listens to messages on “love” but it seems even the messages of love are targeting not heart (feelings and experiences) but mind (intellectual agreement).
I live with the impression that when I am supposed to obey the Great Commission, I am only supposed to teach the Bible and raise disciples and not desire and not even think about the signs and wonder and miracles Jesus promised would accompany the proclamation of the gospel to validate the message. It looks like for some time now, the scope of miracles are limited only to agreement to the message of the gospel by someone who previously either lived in disagreement or in ignorance. Speaking in tongues is reduced to learning new language(s) and the biblical speaking of tongue is strange acts. I am pained by how people get disturbed if we interpret the drinking of living water in Jn 4 to receiving the Holy Spirit from Jesus.
I understand that it is much easier to execute and follow set programs than to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit because more often the works and manifestation of the presence of God results in strange and chaotic conduct beyond the set programs. But if God is the Creator, His manifestation is surely not going to be repetitive of the fixed format but very creative (or so to say strange!)
Anyway, thanks for your article. I enjoyed it, and it sparked in me to think about something deeper.

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By: DrBill http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-401 Sun, 03 Oct 2010 11:27:57 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-401 Really nice post Tuf. In fact it reminds me of something Ravi Zacharias said about the essentials of human life: wonder, truth, love, and security. Since he says it oh so much better than I ever could, I’ll quote a short passage from an excerpt of his book “Can Man Live Without God” (http://www.christianbooksummaries.com/library/v3/cbs0330.pdf):

“Atheism is really antitheism. It fails the test of logic on the philosophical level, the test of meaning set forth by the arts, and the test of practical application. The human penchant for meaning cannot be met by antitheism, neither can it be ignored. A child’s sense of wonder and a young adult’s search for truth and love need
fulfillment. A mature person’s experience with suffering demands answers. Only Christ, the God-man, brings truth to satisfy the intellect, love to restore the soul, and grace to heal the brokenness of suffering.”

“While some would attempt to distill meaning down to love alone,
as great as love is, it fails to fulfill the search. This search manifests itself differently in people of different ages and can be divided into four stages: childhood, adolescence, young adulthood, and maturity. The child seeks meaning through wonder. The world of children’s fairy tales sums up the crucial elements that engender wonder in the mind of a child. First, each tale has a moral principle encapsulated in it. Secondly, each tale has a set of conditions defined by the world of fairyland that are unalterable. Thirdly, the conditions are unquestionable. They are imparted by the tale’s author and add to not only the structure but mystery of the story. Cinderella never asks why her curfew is midnight,nor should the reader. Sadly, a thirst for knowledge often destroys a sense of wonder. People refuse to believe that there are and should be limitations to human knowledge, that mystery is a legitimate and even sacred part of life. Instead, they seek to understand the intricacies of all facets of the universe, touting any mystery as temporary until technology can catch up. A loss of wonder results in three tragedies: the reduction of the universe to its chemical components, the disappearance of gratitude, and an inevitable slide into meaninglessness.”

“As a child grows into adolescence, fantasy gives way to a search for
truth. Suppression of truth is pandemic in politics, in advertising, and even in the classroom. Past generations stood behind causes they believed in and sought security they considered obtainable. The present generation speaks a language of cynicism, having found no truth in causes and no fulfillment in monetary security. Young people today seek only someone with integrity, a relationship based on truth. Not surprisingly, this is exactly what Jesus offers, Himself as the embodiment of truth. While many of Christ’s followers have sullied His reputation by living contradictory to the values of the gospel, Christ’s own goodness should not be rejected on these grounds. Investigating the claims of Christ will yield a more accurate picture of who He is, and a relationship with Him
will reward the search for truth. Love, then, is the quarry of the young adult. In both Eastern and Western cultures, love is the test that the truthfulness of the heart must pass. Love requires both sacrifice and utter vulnerability, for it leaves the heart open to rejection. It requires courage to be willing to take the risk.
In Christianity, love is not mere sentimentality but a relationship that entails personal cost. This is why the cross of Christ sums up love more eloquently than any other event in history. For the love of the unlovable and undeserving, God who is love, surrenders even to death. “He becomes the consummate expression of love, and in knowing Him we find that love which brings meaning.” The fourth stage of meaning, that of the mature adult, centers on security.
As a life draws to a close, only the expectation of something more
offers purpose. It is the promise of resurrection and life beyond the grave that takes all four elements of meaning – wonder, truth, love, and security – and binds them into a perfect hope. This hope is found in the person of Christ.”

This piece on wonder is really beautiful. It rings so true in my own experience. Since reading this a year or so ago, I have begun to rediscover the wonder of life, the thrilling mystery of the unknown. It exhibits itself in strange ways – lately, I really enjoy traveling at night (in Korean we say ‘pam-kil’, or ‘night road’). Wow… so mysterious, so full of something unknown, something so exciting yet unknown! Chris Kelly and I took a walk in the woods at night a few weeks ago – and it was so wonderfully mysterious! We did not really know where the path went, or where we would end up, but the sense of mystery and wonder was overpowering. Ravi is right in that our western conception of science – our idolization of science as god – has removed one of the most precious components of human life – mystery and wonder. Blessed be the God of all wonders!!! Praise God!!! :)

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By: FishEater http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-400 Sat, 02 Oct 2010 04:05:29 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-400 Great Article Tuf!
Now that I have a closer relationship with Christ, I definitely feel less of the magic I did when I was kid. I would like to have both. You would think that believing in a supernatural Father would give me more of a sense of magic. I think reading Daniel really helps open my eyes to the supernatural reality that there is a war going on all around us. That God, sent his one and only Son, to conquer death and free me from the bondage of sin.
Chesterton has always been my favorite writer and the Ethics of Elfland has always been my favorite chapter. Have you ever read the Ball and the Cross?

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By: jespinola http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-399 Sat, 02 Oct 2010 00:49:04 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-399 In my Bible reading with my older son, we have been reading about Elijah and now Elisha. The lives of these two prophets have undoubtedly been one of power and magic in the sense that God’s supernatural presence was strongly revealed through them. I realize that i’ve lost some sense of wonder and excitement in approaching God as my awesome and mighty God. Thanks for the post, Tuf. I, too, need to become less practical and more dependent on God’s grace and power in my life.

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By: Tuf http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-398 Sat, 02 Oct 2010 00:16:03 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-398 And David, isn’t great to know we can teach our children the mystery and magic of Christ! They don’t need to forget this part of life, just learn it according to God’s plan.

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By: Tuf http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-397 Sat, 02 Oct 2010 00:14:56 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-397 Thanks Hannah, I think of that verse in Matthew too. Maybe I should have included it.

And I am so thankful to be one of His children.
Good to hear from you!

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By: david bychkov http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-396 Fri, 01 Oct 2010 07:01:46 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-396 Thanks for nice article, Tuf! It is really great to grow our children in this way and to restore such attitude in our students.

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By: Hannah Love Yoon http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/09/30/coming-home-to-elfland/#comment-395 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:51:39 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=1027#comment-395 Thanks for writing this Tuf :)
I’m reminded of Matthew 18:1-9. Jesus says in verse 3 “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”
As I studied John 1 this past week, the verse about God giving us the right to become children of God, born of God really struck me. When we are born again with Christ, we have that right to be free from our worries, our fears, our sins. We can be like children and trust God. We can be free like children and not be controlled by our worries. We can be pure and innocent of all darkness. He’s given us that right and its such a blessing.
Unfortunately as we grow up we depend more on our rational thinking, our instincts and reality.
I think God wants us to let go a little and let His ‘magic’ work in our lives.

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