Comments on: The Holy Spirit: Does What We Know About Him Actually Matter? (Part 1)

By: Hannah Love

Sat, 05 Feb 2011 00:30:07 +0000

The Holy Spirit is not an accessory to the gospel. He is a lead actor in the gospel and an essential part of who Jesus is.
For a good portion of my life I have been quite ignorant to who/what the Holy Spirit is. I was only exposed to God and Jesus. As you mentioned, the Holy Spirit was an obligatory accessory mentioned because this is what Christians are supposed to believe.
In recent years, my family has been opening up to the work of the Holy Spirit and acknowledging his existence in their lives. I didn’t know what to think of it and all I associated with the Holy Spirit was the charismatic movement, which I thought was crazy. I wanted to live my Christian life with just God and Jesus. Keep it simple. Yet, despite my rejections and resistance, the Holy Spirit found me. Last year, through a church event I encountered the living God through encountering the Holy Spirit as someone prayed and ministered over me. Slowly my heart started to hunger for something greater than what I had known for 24 years. There must be more and now I know that there is more.
I’m still quite ignorant to who he is, but I know he is real and desperately need him. Without the Holy Spirit, we’re unable to love others and love the Lord. Without the power of the Holy Spirit, we’re so human/worldly even when we are Christians.

The Holy Spirit is God, God is the Holy Spirit, Jesus was a man anointed by the Holy Spirit. Everything he did was enabled by the manifestation of the Holy Spirit.
John 3:6 – Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
My spirit will be awakened by the Spirit.

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By: Joe

Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:53:35 +0000

If these things sound mystical and confusing, perhaps it’s because we have lost touch with spiritual reality. As modernistic Christians, our thinking and worldview have been more shaped by the Enlightenment and Scientific Revolution than by the Bible. We have become blind to many things of God

When I used to read the long discourses by Jesus in John’s gospel about his relationship to the Father and the Holy Spirit, those passages seemed too mystical and confusing, I thought, “Jesus, why are you saying this? Why don’t you get practical with us? Stop talking about all those mysterious things, and just tell us WHAT TO DO!!!”

But slowly it dawned on me that when Jesus was teaching about his relationship to the Father and Holy Spirit, is was not theoretical, theological mumbo-jumbo. Rather, it is the essence of Christianity. Jesus doesn’t need us to DO anything for him. What Jesus wants is for us to BE in a relationship with him, so that we can know and experience God as he does.

I used to think these things were unimportant. Man, was I wrong!

Our views of everything ultimately flow from our conceptions of God. If we focus on who God is and truly come to know him, then all other questions will gradually be answered. But if our understanding of God is wrong, we open ourselves up to all kinds of false teachings.

Perhaps this is why the early Christians took great pains to spell out the doctrines of the Trinity, the Incarnation, and the nature of Jesus Christ. The Triune nature of God was so important to them that the ancient creeds (e.g. the Apostles’ Creed) are essentially affirmations of the Trinity, and not much else. If we get those things right, then we are less likely to be led astray by false ideas.

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By: david bychkov

Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:30:55 +0000

Dr. Ben, your words are very similar to “Religious Affections” of Jonathan Edwards which I’m reading now, and he sounds really mystical and confusing.

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By: Ben Toh

Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:53:25 +0000

Thanks, James, Joe for addressing Galatians 5:22,23 on the fruit (singular) of the Spirit, though it is described/expressed in the pleural with 9 attributes of love, joy, peace, etc. Only the Spirit can produce all these, and not human effort, though, we could “fake” self-control, while inwardly we may be “blowing up” out of control.

Also, people’s basic personalities and traits are different. Hypocrates mentions 4: sanguine, choleric, phlegmatic and melancholic. So we might think a sanguine person has “joy,” when that it their basic God-given personality. Another might seem to be “self-controlled” when they are phlegmatic. So I agree with Joe’s point that it is not that easy or obvious to assess whether or not someone else or maybe even ourselves as being filled with the Holy Spirit, or that we are walking in the Spirit, since our own hearts are deceitful (Jer 17:9).

Everyone’s “starting point” in faith is also different. One from an abusive family has scars and wounds and could easily be judged as being “unchanged,” or proud, or stubborn, or rebellious, or a mental patient, even though the Holy Spirit is working in them. On the other hand, one from a loving family might seem to be a Christian outwardly, simply because they are well-behaved.

I think that we somewhat easily understand the Father who sent the Son, so we apply it by being missional like the Father. We might also more easily understand the Son who gave his life, so we apply it by being sacrificial like the Son. But the Spirit indwells us sinners by the grace of the Father and the Son, and it is not so easily obvious to apply it practically to our Christian lives. Thus, we surely need to study the Spirit more deliberately.

Sorry if this sounds mystical or confusing.

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By: david bychkov

Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:33:42 +0000

By: Joe

Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:47:11 +0000

Hi David. John Stott is a very widely respected author and preacher. I have not yet read that book. I am a little bit surprised at the way he characterizes the Bible as the word of the Father and then makes the work of the Holy Spirit another category. Of course, the Bible is the word of the Father. But it is also the work of the Holy Spirit who inspired the human authors and who inspires us today as we read and study the Scriptures. Evangelical Christians place great emphasis on the Bible, and rightly so. But we cannot divorce the study of Scripture from the work of the Holy Spirit, without whom our Bible study is useless. Does Stott’s book talk about that? I’ll bet he does.

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By: Joe

Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:34:09 +0000

Hi M. James, Thank you for reading and sharing your thoughts. I like the way that you called attention to the personal nature of the Holy Spirit, and to the fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5. The presence or absence of those fruits is, I think, one of the most direct ways that we can tell where the Holy Spirit is or isn’t working in us. It’s hard for me to judge other people to tell whether their behavior reflects genuine love, joy, peace, etc. because human beings are deceptive and those fruits can sometimes be faked. But if I look at myself with painful honesty, I can tell whether those fruits are present or not at any given time, and I can then begin to identify the leading of the Spirit.

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By: david bychkov

Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:54:58 +0000

By: James Kim

Tue, 18 Jan 2011 03:25:12 +0000

Thanks, Joe about the article about the Holy Spirit. This is the way I understand the Holy Spirit

We cannot see the Holy Spirit and it is abstract, but we can see the fruit of the Holy Spirit which is not at all abstract; love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Gal 5:22,23).

The Holy Spirit is not independent with Jesus and the word of God. The Holy Spirit is a person. Therefore we should welcome him into our hearts and let him stay and do his work, not just one time, but over and over so that we may be transformed in the image of Jesus. “I want to know Christ” (“I want to know the Holy Spirit”). To know the Holy Spirit better should be our life goal. In order to know the Holy Spirit better we should learn to listen to him, trust in him in prayer.

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By: Joe

Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:29:16 +0000

Thanks, Ben, for your astute observations. Personally, I think that the lack of understanding and experience of the work of the Holy Spirit is not really a UBF thing, but a widespread problem in many parts of the evangelical church. (For that reason, I didn’t specifically mention UBF in the article.)

Recovering the mystery of the Trinty is something that can really refresh one’s faith. When I started to take the Trinity seriously and considered the relationships between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the Scriptures — both Old and New Testaments — really started to come alive again. Lengthy passages from John’s gospel, passages which I used to skip over because I didn’t know what to make of them, became full of meaning. The epistles took on new meaning. Questions which had bothered me for many years — such as, “What does it really mean to have a personal relationship with Christ?” — started to get answered. I like the quote by Fred Sanders; I’ll have to check out that article and book.

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By: Ben Toh

Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:58:55 +0000

A church planter friend in Chicago told me that most Christians believe in “The Father, the Son and the Holy Bible.” Sorry that I keep re-quoting what he told me.

But the reason I like the quote is because I realize that in my first 28 years of teaching the Bible 1:1 in Chicago UBF I pretty much acknowledged the Trinity and the Holy Spirit, while predominantly emphasizing Jesus and his death for our sins (thus assuming the Holy Spirit), as I taught the Bible and “squeezed my Bible students to repent of their sins.”

God surely has done great work through UBF since 1961 through Samuel Lee and Sarah Barry, and the original members of UBF who are still very influencial today. Surely, without a doubt the Holy Spirit has worked mightily in Korea and through out the 80 nations where our missionaries have gone. Many natives became sincere godly Christians through their prayers, Bible study, compassion, hospitality, generosity, love, prayer, example, and sacrifice. Likely many who read UBFriends have had the Holy Spirit transform their lives supernaturally through our lovely Christ-loving missionaries.

But I’m thinking that because the Holy Spirit is assumed, and perhaps not well studied or understood as Joe suggests, the emphasis of man’s work necessarily is the inevitable result.

I’m thinking that when we assume that the Holy Spirit will work, we communicate as though it is up to us, the Bible teacher or missionary, and the Bible student, for God to work. So, perhaps we communicate that it is up to the Bible teacher or missionary to “pray, prepare, teach, rebuke, disciple, exemplify, be responsible, etc.”

Then it is also up to the Bible student to “repent, accept, humble themselves, confess their sins, write testimony, attend worship service, attend fellowship meetings and conferences, go fishing, feed sheep, take responsibility, receive training, etc”

Of course, all of these things are taught repeatedly in the Bible. But when we neglect or assume the Holy Spirit, everything becomes up to the “shepherd” to do his job, and the “sheep” to respond well. It’s almost like the Bible teacher or leader has inadvertently assumed the role of the Holy Spirit.

I’ve had some discussions about this with some people that has led to defensiveness and offensiveness. Sorry in advance if some are offended in reading this. But as Joe suggested, I think we need to prayerfully and seriously study the Holy Spirit as much as we study the Father and the Son and the Bible. Otherwise, our theology and Bible teaching will be “off,” or “unbalanced,” though not necessarily incorrect.

Reading the recent issue of Christianity Today (Jan 2011), Fred Sanders, in his book “The Deep Things of God: How the Trinity Changes Everything,” said, “The gospel is Trinitarian, and the Trinity is the gospel.” I thought that was true, and that I need to learn how to do that.

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