Comments on: Uncommon Aspects of "Common Life" http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: david bychkov http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1107 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:36:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1107 So wonderful comment, Sua. Thank you very much.

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By: Sua http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1106 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:36:22 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1106 For  nearly a month now  there has been  somebody – a ‘sheep’ like we’d say in UBF ;) – living with us. This person herself  hasn’t much in common with your ‘Bob’, I think. No student, difficult background, current personal and social problems, and so on. But the situation has been similar.

First, I was happy she came to us though unplanned, unexpected and on unfortunate circumstances. I hoped we could help her most of all in growing spiritually, by showing her our practical life of faith. I also hoped we could deepen our relationship to her. But when time passed I felt more and more tired and exhausted – although I for myself didn’t  serve her very much but my mother. ;;
I began to feel stressed and started avoiding her. And I put the responsibility on her by blaming her in my heart  to be ungrateful, undiscerning  and a burden to my mother.

Yesterday  my sisters and I started a discussion (or shall I even say ‘argument’?) with her after our Sunday worship service. And I have to say we failed miserably. We talked about real faith. In my eyes, we had to tell her how she had to believe in God because  the bible  was saying  so (- on my opinion). But afterwards I realized  I only wanted her to put  on the glasses of my own  opinions  and experiences through which she should see the bible like I did. Because of this self-righteousness I couldn’t help her.

My father told me that I have to see myself, my own  faults and sins and take them to God before I try to teach others. And that I should deeply study the bible learning which example JESUS gave us.

Your article, Mary, made me think it over again and add new things to learn from your experience – thank you very much!  I think I’ll try to follow the “Do’s” and “Don’ts” from  the other Mary, too. =)
May God help me to  have a  wider and humble  heart – loving other people just as they are instead of judging them because God also loves me just as I am.

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By: James Yoo http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1105 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:23:56 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1105 I’m proud of you, Mary, I’ll always, and I love you!

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By: Hannah Love http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1104 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:03:54 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1104 This was such a great post. I was laughing and smiling the whole way. Thank you so so so much for your honesty and willingness to share on here.  

I spent 9 months in the ‘sister’s tent’ last year in Korea and that totally changed different habits of mine. I slept with 2 other girls in my room. I couldn’t just lie around, go on the computer, read and do whatever. I had to tidy up. I had to make sure my things were lying around and even serve breakfast once a week for 5 other girls. It was such a challenge, but also a great time for me to recognize how preciously God made us. We are so unique in the eyes of God but I have this problem where I want everyone to be like me! It was a humbling experience.  

Thank you for sharing!!

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By: Joe http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1103 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:34:51 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1103 My family has  taken others into our home  many tmes over the years.  Often it was beneficial, sometimes it was not. Point #1 on  Mary J’s  “Do” list is often cited as a reason why we should take disciples into our homes. Jesus lived with disciples,  therefore we should too. The point is valid, but the analogy is not perfect. Jesus was not married. Having a marriage partner changes the equation in a major way, and having children changes it even more. And Jesus did not remain with his disciples round the clock for three years without ever taking a rest or break. He often got away from the crowds and  from the disciples.  As he practiced community, he also practiced solitude. The need for solitude is very real. And the need for rest is also real.

Points #1 and #2 on Mary J’s “Don’t” list are also worth considering. Why would it be problematic to invite someone to live with you if they are involved in another ministry? I guess it would be problematic if the practice of “common life” has a motive or implicit agenda to help people to commit to UBF and transform them into something after our own image. As Mary Y wrote, much of her angst about common life came from the weight of all those hidden expectations. If those hidden expectations are put aside, then opening your home to someone can lead to lasting friendship and be deeply transformative for everyone involved. Friendship and community are valuable for their own sake, not merely as a tool for raising disciples. I wish we could all understand that better.

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By: John Y http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1102 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 05:55:11 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1102 Oh, and as a former “Bob” myself during my college days, I have to admit that living in common life with one godly Christian couple (the Morans in Berkeley) probably counts as one of the most spiritually formative experiences of my life. I still remember their practical love, their patience, their incarnational presence during my critical life transitions, their occasional gentle rebukes, and their constant encouragement. I am who I am because of them.
Through common life, I also learned how to make potato soup and lasagna. Oh, and punch bowl cake too. Yum.

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By: Mary J. http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1101 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 04:12:27 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1101 Mary, thank you for sharing this experience with us. Your honesty is refreshing. I am thankful to you and your husband for offering an encouraging and prayerful environment to ‘Bob’ during his stay. I hope that my husband and I can one day invite our bible students or friends to live with us, so we can establish a loving environment for them (as well as my husband and me) to grow in Christ. It sounds really difficult to do, but with the right attitude and humble hearts, everyone in the household can benefit and grow from living together!

I attended the Leadership Development Workshop in Wisconsin back in October 2010 where a workshop/presentation on “common life” was given by Paul Dang. It was eye-opening for me. I appreciated how the panelists encouraged about using common life as a means for learning how to be Jesus-like both outside and inside the home. They also gave various “do’s” and “don’ts”. Here are a few off the top of my head:

Do:

  1. Think about how Jesus lived, ate, slept, prayed and did everything with his disciples over the span of 3 years. This type of common-living training was excellent for Jesus and his disciples.
  2. Discuss the idea with all members of your family, including your children. Give them a say about inviting a bible student to live with your family in their home.
  3. Establish some guidelines and goals, if needed — ie: no alcohol in the home, try to attend morning prayer three times a week together, etc. I think it was Mark Vucekovich who suggested that common life among similar-aged people should include signing a faith contract of some sort to start everyone off on the same page.
  4. Do deeply evaluate why you are inviting this person to live with you. If your motives are wrong, even for a bit, then it may be best not to proceed.
  5. Pray with your husband/wife as much and as often as you can. The more you come to Christ while living with this person, the more Christ-like, patient, loving, encouraging you will be to them.

I appreciated even more, some of the “don’ts” of inviting someone to live with you:

  1. Don’t invite someone to live with you to simply “keep” them in your ministry.
  2. Don’t invite them if they are deeply involved in a different ministry. This may cause problems, and may even be rooted from Don’t #1.
  3. Don’t invite students of different sexes to live on the same floor or close vicinity of each other — as it can cause distractions and problems among peers (I think one example was given that it MIGHT be alright if they lived on different floors or apartments within a 2-family building… I don’t recall exactly).

(If there were any additional guidelines that I missed, please feel free to add them.)

I was especially intrigued by the panel on common life because I had never thought of being able to offer my home to someone as a means for spiritual growth and encouragement for them or for me. I began to think about specific friends in New York UBF that are living in unhealthy, distracting, broken and sometimes even violent homes. As a disciple of Jesus, I should want to help them and offer them something better by bringing them to Jesus.

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By: Joshua Brinkerhoff http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1100 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 04:09:45 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1100 Hi Mary and the rest,

I enjoyed this story a lot! My wife and I have been married for about 5 years, and I think we’ve lived without a “Bob” for maybe 12 months tops. So I’ve had quite a few memorable “Bob”-experiences, and I grinned as this posting reminded me of them.

Despite all the hiccups, my wife and I are so much happier when we can share our life with others. We’ve also found that conflict in the home is less when others are with us. And it’s not just an appearance because someone else is living with us; there is genuinely more of a spirit of collaboration and serving together to love and welcome and serve “Bob”.

I concur with you, Mary, about the pains that can arise when other people have expectations about how you’re supposed to serve “Bob”. Even more painful is the expectations that “Bob” may have. We’ve learned the hard way that it may not always be wise to allow just anyone to be a “Bob”. A few times my family was more welcoming than I think was wise, and it blew up in our faces to the detriment of the home and the ministry.

Notwithstanding all the awkwardness and potential conflict, sharing my home and family live with “Bobs” has brought real joy to my family, has helped uncover all kinds of personal sins in me and my wife, and has helped us to try to learn a tiny bit of Jesus life-giving spirit. We’ve failed more than succeeded in that, but we thank God for the opportunities to try, and His grace that restores our failure. God be with all of you!

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By: Jen Espinola http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1099 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 03:29:54 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1099 Mary, thanks a lot for this encouraging and funny article! I can relate to your experience from my early years of marriage.  There’s nothing like common life to prepare you for the most life changing common life of all- having a baby! (well at least that is my experience:)) May God bless you and your family with a baby in His time.

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By: Joe http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1098 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 03:05:54 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1098 This is the second female-authored article. Not that we’re counting…

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1097 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 02:59:22 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1097 How cute sibs! Love the story and the write up. Thanks, Mary Y.

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By: Susan http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1096 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 02:53:33 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1096 Mary, thanks for this article!  It made me laugh and also made me think about the concept of common life.  :)  I respect you guys and “Bob” for your open minds towards each other and your efforts to make it work, even when it’s challenging.  I think most people can understand the nervousness in opening one’s home and world to someone and revealing your weaknesses.  But at the same time, I think it’s great that you can make someone feel comfortable in your home.  Sometimes it’s easier to relate to or connect with someone “real” than someone who seems too perfect and unreachable.   And I think you and your hubby’s honest struggle to live for Jesus is a great testimony in itself!  :)
 

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By: Mary Y http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1095 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 02:47:22 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1095 Thanks Big Bro….

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By: John Y http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1094 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 02:35:26 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1094 Oh, and good job, Mary Y. I’m proud of you.
Both for the article and for undertaking a common life experience.
 

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By: John Y http://www.ubfriends.org/2011/02/05/uncommon-aspects-of-common-life/#comment-1093 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 02:33:23 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=1810#comment-1093 Wow, could this possibly be the first article submission from a woman on this UBFriends site?

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