Comments on: A Question from Ray

By: Ben Toh

Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:11:40 +0000

By: James Kim

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:36:39 +0000

Hi Ray and Tsukasa. Thank God for using your family so preciously in Japan. In this time of colossal suffering and tragic situation, many people must have fallen in deep despair and meaninglessness. We do not know why this happened. But only in God they can find true comfort, peace and meaning of life even in the midst of pain and suffering. It was very encouraging to hear that you reached out many non-students. I believe Jesus always had the whole world in his mind when he taught his disciples how to pray, “Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”. May Your will be done in Japan.

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By: Ray

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 03:10:19 +0000

Thank you everyone for your responses and prayers!
They were very encouraging for me.

I’m sorry I took so long to respond.

The Lord has been working and leading us in very exciting and unexpected ways. Especially God has been working through free English classes and Bible studies which we’ve been holding in a public community building. The environment doesn’t look at all like a church; but it feels very natural and comfortable for people to open up and discuss honestly.

In the beginning, I focussed mostly on University students and God was clearly working. But as I started my study of the Book of Acts, I learned how Paul shared the gospel with all types of people in the cities he visited. This sparked a new flame in my spirit to open the invitation to not only University students but to all members of the community. The Holy Spirit worked mightily and the room has many people with diverse backgrounds in it at every lesson.

Especially with the recent earthquakes, tsunami, and nuclear problems many people have been thinking deeply about their lives. I heard that in Northern Japan (e.g., Tokyo) people have been experiencing large earthquakes every day for over a month, and this fear has impacted the entire nation. Experts say that our area will experience a huge earthquake within 5 years. Only God knows what will really happen, but people are starving for the good news and hope of the gospel and I have a new sense of urgency and hope of the kingdom in my heart.

Sometimes it seems like God forgot about Japan. It is an affluent nation and generally peaceful. Missionaries came here from Europe around 500 years ago but there seems to be little impact today. However, through the recent disasters, I saw the love of God for this nation newly. I am brought to tears when I think of the body of Christ around world who began to pray and support Japan sacrificially, and God’s broken heart for his people.

Anyway, thank you again for your prayers and I’ll try to send updates and check this site more.
I believe this website is helping to form genuine and eternal friendships in Christ!

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By: david bychkov

Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:12:09 +0000

Hm… I didn’t think of it. And I’m afraid my experience and knowledges in this topic are quite low. Could we try do it together?

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By: John Y

Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:42:30 +0000

I was about to post an article about this very topic, David, so I’m glad you brought it up. Perhaps you could post an article about this topic (church vs. parachurch tension) to UBFriends instead?

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By: david bychkov

Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:11:54 +0000

Hi Ray!
It was pleasure to read your post and I’m praying for you and your house church.
I want to express here one thought which got to my mind today about our organisation, her essence and name. What about separating UBF church and UBF campus ministry? No metter how they would named. So we will have church, which is not limited with any limits, but are fully functionating like Christian church, following Biblical models and so on. But in the same time to have UBF campus ministry which is not church, but is focusing on preaching the Gospel to student and raising disciples? People in UBF church could be or could be not involved in UBF campus ministry, but still could find their places and callings in church. And for people which asossiated with campus ministry is not neccessery to follow UBF church. They might do it and continue UBF ministry. They might do it and stop campus ministry if it is not suitable for them anymore, and still have place in church. And they might not do it and find themselves in another church.
What do you think of model like this? Could it work?

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By: Oscar

Tue, 22 Feb 2011 03:15:14 +0000

By: Joe

Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:59:11 +0000

Hi Joshua,
Regarding the name “University Bible Fellowship,” I think there are two different questions. The first one, which Ray brought up, is the question of whether a local UBF-affiliated house church or ministry ought to change or drop its name if the members feel it is not appropriate or descriptive of what they are actually doing. That has already happened in various places. To give people the freedom and blessing to do this without seeing them as disloyal or as having “left UBF” (whatever that means) would, in my opinion, be a step in the right direction. The other issue which you brought up is whether the entire organization should consider changing its name, given that we have broadened beyond a campus ministry. That is a good question, but I don’t imagine it will happen in the near future, because it is not at the forefront of what people are thinking about, at least not now. I imagine that, for many of our local ministries and house churches, the name UBF is still appropriate and descriptive, but for others it is not. From my perspective, it seems unlikely that we would be able to select a more appropriate name until we achieve a greater consensus and common understanding of our identity and mission. I applaud you for speaking up about this, because it is certainly worth discussing.

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By: Joshua Yoon

Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:26:44 +0000

Thanks, Ray, for putting your honest thoughts in UBFriends so others may pray for you with better understanding of your real struggles and issues. Many people just think that you are doing well because you attend Japanese conferences and maintain a missionary life. Many people also view me and Waterloo chapter in the same way. However, I serve the ministry with many questions unanswered, which have arisen over the years in my own heart and in others members and in my own children as well. I found it not easy to even talk about them to others except for a couple of people only. Both Joe and Ben who are quite frank and thorough in their expression did not answer your question directly. Ben admitted to being vague. I don’t remember anyone else’s comment on my question about the name. I think you are the first one. If I am wrong, please, correct me, Joe. I felt that perhaps this is not the right time or the right place to talk about this particular topic. But I feel that it is quite necessary to seek God’s will on this matter as we celebrate the 50th anniversary of ubf history and prays for the future direction of the ministry. The Christian ministry I am involved in as a paid worker has changed its name four times over 10 years, catching God’s enlarging vision. In Canada, CCC (Campus Crusade for Christ) droped crusade and changed its name to C for C (Campus for Christ). It is a part of interdenominational organization called Power to Change which is registered as a charity organization and embraces many other branch ministries in addition to campus mission. (C for C is not registered as a charity organization or ministry as a seperate entity) UBF is not a part of any larger organization. It has been independently functioning as a para-church or church over the years. If the church focuses on specific groups of people, it contradicts and defeats its purpose. It can not be a church in a sense of welcoming all kinds of people. But in reality it has become a church. For example, Chicago UBF building has a sign of a missionary church. But the ministry focuses on campus mission. I feel that it is a big topic. I hope leaders will think about this issue and talk about it and pray about it and seek God’s best will. In the meantime, I want to encourage you Ray to do your best to discern God’ leading and follow the conviction the Holy Spirit puts in your heart and press on toward your personal goal in Christ as Joe and Ben said.

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By: Ben Toh

Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:29:49 +0000

Thanks, Ray, for sharing your warm life journey thus far. 2 verses come to mind, which I often think about, reflect and pray over, whenever uncertainty, conflicts, problems, issues, and questions in my own heart arise:

1) Phil 3:13,14. Whatever happens or does not happen, Paul always sought his upward heavenly calling in Christ.

2) Phil 2:12,13. Thank God who has been and is fully at work in you and your family. Thus, as you shared I believe that you are also fully working out what God has been working in you by his grace.

Sorry if these verses does not address your specific question. But I thought that as general principles (which I believe you have already been practicing) to “press on toward your goal” in Christ, and to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling,” the Holy Spirit will continue to guide you (John 16:13).

Thanks again for sharing your lovely spiritual journey with us. And again, sorry for being so vague.

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By: Joe

Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:50:16 +0000

Ray, thank you for this honest and interesting question. Suppose the Apostle Paul traveled to a city where he had never been before and discovered that some believers in Christ were already there. What do you suppose he would do? Would he set up his own ministry independent of theirs? I doubt that very much. But unfortunately, that’s what modern missionaries do, and it causes problems and harms our witness to the world. Jesus prayed for the Church to be one. Of course, we are now 20 centuries later and the situation is different. We have all kinds of historical baggage and divisions behind us. The Church is varied and diverse. Diversity is good. Each part of the Body sees and knows things that others do not. This diversity can serve as a wonderful corrective. The parts can continually learn from one another and re-evangelize each other. But in order for that to happen, some connections and communication must be established between the parts. We do not need organizational and doctrinal unity to have meaningful relationships with other Christians. I’m glad that has been happening in your case. I have no specific advice for you except what my own mentors have urged me to do: Try your best to discern God’s leading and follow it. It sounds that God has been leading your family. He will continue to do so. God be with you. Please keep reading UBFriends and keep us posted.

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