Comments on: In Jail Charged with Sexual Assault http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: David Bychkov http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3633 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:34:16 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3633 Recently I found one of my childhood/youth friends became a Christian. I contacted him and had brief talk. And I have had some kind of complex feelings. Thing is that he was not a good man. Far from it. I know well that he made quite a few evil deeds. He also hurted me and my close friends. I was really amazen to find that he became a Christian and even rehabilation center director.  Though 2 things bothered me. 1 is that it was extremely hard for me to believe that he has really changed. I knew him very well. 2 is that once I contacted him I probably waited something like appologise for what he has done. And I did not feel that he really regrets. Better to say I was not really saticfied with his expression of regrets about his evil life. And yes both things is really to God. Do I really believe that God and only God is one who changes people heart, no matter if they just bad or really bad? And I can not express this well, but this desire to be saticfied with someones repentence is also something wrong. Not sure how to say :)

]]> By: mj http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3632 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:43:02 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3632 When I was reading about Pontius Pilate the other day I was struck by his diplomacy, willingness to listen to both sides and his perceptiveness (he knew Jesus was innocent.) He was a nice guy, likeable and just trying to please everyone. But he will go down in history forever as the one who made made Jesus suffer. His name is in the Apostles’ Creed, “[Jesus] suffered under Pontius Pilate.” Every time a believer reads that creed, Pilate is remembered and not in a good light.

It reminded me of the proverb, “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.” Pilate’s good intentions and well-meanings words didn’t save him. There is no middle ground in the spiritual battle, either you are for Jesus or against him. Like Darren’s Lewis quote we can’t even survive the next 24 hours without Jesus. We must explicitly and intentionally call on him. The Bible constantly says, “Watch out,” “Be on guard.” 

But a positive point is as you wrote Dr. Ben, “Jail is temporary, but Hell is Permanent and Forever.” Your friend is in jail now, but the important thing is that his soul will not be in Hell for eternity. He is still alive and there still is hope.

]]> By: Ben T http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3631 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 02:03:48 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3631 Thanks, Timothy. I’ve been reading and following that Colson has deteriorated for the worse since his surgery and is critically ill and unlikely to recover. Thank God for his prison ministries.

]]> By: Timothy Ha http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3630 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 01:43:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3630 Thank you, Ben, for this post.
I don’t know if this off-topic or not, but these days Chuck Colson, whose life changed in prison and who established Prison Ministries, is passing due to illness. There is a facebook page on that already http://www.facebook.com/CharlesWColson

]]> By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3629 Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:40:24 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3629 Thanks, guys, for your lively and refreshing “gospeling” comments. Without casting aspersions on my friend, he may have cooled off or become lukewarm in his walk with Jesus, if he is a Christian. The fact that he thanked me revealed to me that God had spoken to him. I have a sense that he “knows” that he fell off the narrow path and allowed himself to become the devil’s prey. All of this is of course entirely subjective and speculative.
 
That said, I believe that he is fully responsible for the state that he is in. I pray that he sees that and knows that from his heart. If he was falling away from Christ, what happened may have been the best thing that happened to him, for it shows that God has not “given him over” to his rebellion.
 
As well stated, surely none of us are “better than him.” My constant thought in my heart ever since I heard and read what happened is this: “There but for the grace of God go I.”

]]> By: Darren Gruett http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3628 Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:51:44 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3628 Great statement, Brian. It is so easy to categorize our sins, and so we feel superior to those who are “worse” than us and inferior to those who are “better.” The fact is, we are all standing at the foot of the cross, side by side, shoulder to shoulder; and only He is up there making atonement for us.

]]> By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3627 Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:11:10 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3627 Excellent, Darren. I would also agree with John Piper’s statement I heard at his Future Grace seminar: Once we believe the gospel, we then wake up every morning as a Pharisee. Every day we need to repent of our self-reliance and depend on the grace of God. Even if we do not commit huge, terrible sins after believing, we are no better off than those who do. Christian life, then, becomes a stream of living in the good news of God’s grace, and only that stream will carry us to the end (that’s all para-phrased, of course!)

]]> By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3626 Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:56:54 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3626 Thanks, Darren, Dave, Amen. Only God who began a good work in us will and can bring it to completion (Phil 1:6). Only God can sustain us and keep us safe to the end!

]]> By: David Bychkov http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3625 Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:38:20 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3625 Amen!

]]> By: Darren Gruett http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3624 Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:20:24 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3624 Reading this I am reminded of the words of C.S. Lewis: We must never imagine that our own unaided efforts can be relied on to carry us even through the next twenty-four hours as “decent” people. If He does not support us, not one of us is safe from some gross sin.

]]> By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/04/19/in-jail-charged-with-sexual-assault/#comment-3623 Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:00:12 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4577#comment-3623 Wow Ben, your posts never cease to stun! I am thankful to see your change of heart. 

Today’s post jars loose yet another suppressed memory of mine. It is amazing to realize how numb my conscience had become. 

Sometime in 1995 my American shepherd in UBF left the ministry with his wife. There was no reason given; they just disappeared. Then a few years later, he showed up at the center. He was asking for character reference letters, to avoid going to jail for a form of sexual assault.  I was shocked. But still, I wrote the character letter for him. I don’t know if he avoided jail or not. How could the man who taught me the Bible do such a thing? How could my Bible teacher be in jail? Why would no one discuss this event openly with me? In fact, one person tried to hide the whole thing from me. 

There are only about 3 or 4 people who know about this event. But I hope this gives some insight to ubfriends readers as to why I might be a little angry at UBF from time to time. Hopefully people can begin to understand why I say UBF leaders are steeped in cover-ups and have not dealt with sins in a Christian manner.  

Out of curiosity, I searched my computer to see if I still have the letter I wrote. Yes, I do. It is dated August 8, 2000. Fortunately, I have a large document store with over 7,500 messages, letters, testimonies, reports, databases, etc. from my time in UBF.

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