Comments on: Let Local Leaders Lead http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-5838 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:49:52 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-5838 So it seems to me Ben, that you are saying we natives need to become missionaries to the missionaries? Sounds like a good idea actually.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-5830 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 19:10:55 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-5830 These are my short answers:

Should a missionary share his culture with the natives and change natives to be like him?

No. The problem is that perhaps most missionaries DO NOT REALIZE they are sharing their culture with indigenous peoples. So, can they be “faulted” when they do not know?

Or should the missionary adapt and contextualize the gospel in the land they are living in?

Obviously. But since UBF has generally been “weak” or “non-existent” in contextualization over the last 50 years, I don’t believe we will be even clear as to how to begin to educate ourselves in this very very important area.

What is the role of a Christian missionary in a foreign land?

Acts 14:21-23.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-5828 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:45:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-5828 Based on my in-person meetings in Chicago UBF over the weekend and more than 25 hours of in-person dialogue in just 4 days… I feel that this article, “Let Local Leaders Lead”, is perhaps the most important discussion that needs to be had.

And I feel that the most significant questions facing UBF missionaries are these: Should a missionary share his culture with the natives and change natives to be like him? Or should the missionary adapt and contextualize the gospel in the land they are living in? What is the role of a Christian missionary in a foreign land?

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4131 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:36:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4131 @Darren. When you get a chance to look into it, let me know what you think about the blue book, which is supposed to represent our 1st 50 years of UBF history. Or does this just represent a segment of UBF?

See if you agree with Paul’s key theological motif: Gentiles are saved by faith and do not have to adopt the Jewish way of life in order to become authentic Christians?

Thus, does it follow that native leaders DO NOT have to adopt the missionaries’ way of life in order to become a genuine Christian, saved by faith and not by works?

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By: Darren Gruett http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4125 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:18:26 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4125 Thanks. Maybe I should buy one just to look at it, although it is probably not worth $10. I will look over what you sent me at least.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4124 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:09:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4124 Darren, here is a link to a scan of the last lecture. The “blue book” has a blue cover and is a collection of the lectures given at the anniversary celebration in Korea. I have the actual book. Note that an online version of this last lecture was published on ubf.org, but it was modified for the public from the printed version distributed to directors (well, not every director got one, but I did).

http://www.priestlynation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/2011ubfBlueBook-LastLecture.pdf

I am concerned about being sued for copyright infringement, so I can’t share any more. You’ll have to buy one for $10 from ubf press.

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By: Darren Gruett http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4123 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:43:32 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4123 Brian, to my ignorance, I am unfamiliar with the UBF Blue Book. I Googled it and read part of your review of it at your blog, but I was wondering if you have an electronic copy that you could send to me.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4119 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 05:35:04 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4119 This is a quote in an article on Syncretism:

“Certainly there are biblical essentials that every new Christian needs to know, such as prayer, worship, witness, fellowship and ministry. These practices, however, should fit the local culture under the leadership of the Holy Spirit rather than the practices of the host culture of the missionary. Syncretism occurs when the evangelizers impose their cultural values on the new Christians and fail to separate the evangelizers’ own culture adequately from the biblical message.”

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4118 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 05:31:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4118 Hi Brian,

I can’t speak for others. But for myself, I and others began to increasingly vocalize problems and issues about 6 years ago. It is all expressed on UBFriends explicitly without parables, as well as in private conversations, and by email with anyone who wishes to dialogue. Some will not dialogue either in person, or in groups or by email. I cannot do anything about that.

What have I learned if anything?

1) Most importantly, I am a sinner. Only by God’s grace I may love those who do not wish to dialogue, and may never want to, just as God has loved me.

2) Next, by perseverance and persistence and by God’s grace, there are gradual changes, which may not be complete or even satisfactory in our lifetime.

3) God is fulfilling His own plan and purpose which very often seems to be the very opposite of my own expectation or preference.

4) God is good and God is love, even toward those who have hurt and wounded others. God is good to Paul, even though he was the church’s public enemy No. 1.

5) I am having the time of my life, which is nothing but the unmerited and undeserved grace of Jesus.

I’m sure others have their own intimate experiences with the Holy Spirit which may be even more exhilarating.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4117 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 04:03:56 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4117 Ben, I agree but only partially. Your point about drug addiction is valid. The “diagnosis” as I see it is glory addiction or power addition or perhaps honor addiction. Just as in drug addictions, there must be a stopping point, and the initial withdrawal symptoms will be painful. I and my friends have talked about this. Some of us equate leaving UBF with “detox”.

Fortunately for me, I began an 8 year detox from UBF in 2003. The past 1 year has been a recovery period after I quite “cold-turkey” in 2011. Since the diagnosis of the UBF problem is akin to drug detox, I think our voices here are part of an intervention program (dare I say orchestrated by God Himself?)

Yes, in regard to my 4 points above, I expect zero response now. But as I said on my blog, I blog for the future. I do expect some day in about 5 years or so, when I and others have moved on, someone will read this blog and have material to fall back on.

If dialogue were possible, I think my suggestions are not so off-base. However here is the reality (please correct me if I get this wrong or incomplete).

In regard to dialogue between UBF and ex-UBF:

No meaningful dialogue was generated in 1976
No meaningful dialogue was generated in 1989
No meaningful dialogue was generated in 2001
No meaningful dialogue was generated in 2011

No meaningful dialogue was generated by ex-UBF Koreans.
No meaningful dialogue was generated by BenT for over 8 years (until now?)
No meaningful dialogue was generated by JoeS for over 10 years
No meaningful dialogue was generated by BrianK for over 1 year

So we have 50 years of silence and zero meaningful dialogues from Korean director with ex-UBF people.

Slowly trying to change hasn’t worked. Secret change hasn’t worked. Bold actions haven’t worked. Polite actions haven’t worked.

What can be done?

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4116 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 03:24:58 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4116 Hi Brian,

You and I and anyone who reads this knows that your 4 proposals would not be welcomed or responded to. Why?

In my opinion it is because of the strong honor culture that is so prevalent in our UBF tradition and culture, which was also prevalent when western missionaries went to 3rd world countries to evangelize over the past century.

To do what you propose would be like asking a heroin addict to stop cold turkey after being an addict for many decades, or to ask one addicted to porn for decades to never ever watch porn again.

For our leaders who grew up in an honor culture, some would rather commit suicide than to publicly admit wrongdoing. In their mind and feeling, it brings too much shame to them, to their families, and to UBF for them to do so.

A new article I may write is “Why a Strong Honor Culture Denies the Gospel of Grace.”

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4115 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:39:26 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4115 Joe, as you know, I thought your report was profound, excellent and sorely needed in UBF. I would encourage people to read this report. The report is not “Karcher style” in any way, so even UBF leaders should be able to read it :)

I would vote for your report on Roland Allen’s book to be the most “historical” document ever published by a UBF member.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4114 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:36:23 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4114 Thanks for sharing, Ben. Your words in this article are refreshing and encouraging to me. I suspect these words will be further “thorns” in many UBF leaders unfortunately. Still, these are thoughts that are long over due for public discussion.

For example, this part of the quote is exceedingly helpful, true, insightful and most of all: exactly what I and over 100 people experienced the last 25 years in Toledo UBF: “If the first converts are taught to depend on the missionary, if all work, evangelistic, educational, social is concentrated in his hands, the infant community learns to rest passively on the man from whom they receive their first insight into the Gospel. Their faith having no sphere for its growth and development lies dormant.”

People simply need room to breathe, pray, live, fail, succeed, try and work on their own. If not, the ministry implodes.

You asked, “What can we now begin to do as a global ministry for the next 50 years?” Here is a suggested start (all of which you have already done, Ben :)

1) Publicly reject the parts of the 50th anniversary blue book teachings/mission statement that are non-Christian.

2) Publicly apologize to all ex-UBF members from 1958 to 2012, admitting that the well-intentioned UBF shepherding methods have too often wrongly degraded into lording-it-over dictatorship.

3) Create and publicly publish a chapter/regional/committee plan to move away from the Moses-style leadership dominated by Koreans and move toward a plurality of elders style leadership dominated by new national leaders.

4) Encourage every Korean director and senior UBF staff to engage in the dialogues here on ubfriends for at least 1 year.

My public promise to senior UBF leaders is this: Do items 1 to 3 above and have at least 10 Korean directors commit to 1 year of regular ubfriends blogging/articles and I will stop my vocal criticism of UBF.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4113 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:12:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4113 Darren, Apostle Paul’s example is indeed enlightening. In fact, there seems to even be evidence that he stayed too long in at least one place. I am seeing there is *much* to learn now that I let Scripture speak and try to understand the text as it is. I am finding that most of my thousands of hours of Bible “study” were really “self-appeasement sessions” where I searched for proof of my/UBF ideas or on my “one-to-one” performance for that week, instead of listening to the voice of God and obeying Him.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4112 Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:58:27 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4112 Thanks, Darren. When Paul authenticated his apostleship in Galatians, it was to refute the “works” that the legalists (Judaizers) tacked onto grace. It was never to say, “Keep spiritual order. Just obey.”

To some of our missionaries, their innermost core value is honor rather than humility. That’s why a major problem of our missionaries is their difficulty in being corrected, or shown that they said or did something unbiblical. Their strong sense of honor is being violated and challenged, and they do not respond well or humbly, in my opinion.

Again, I will say that this does not apply to all missionaries.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4111 Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:59:21 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4111 Ben, as you know, I agree with your message. Last year, after reading Roland Allen’s book, I was stunned at how different the Apostle Paul’s discipling methods were from what I personally experienced in our cross-cultural church. I wrote a report on Roland Allen’s book and shared it with our senior leaders. A couple of them responded, but most remained silent. Perhaps they will respond someday. We desperately need to have an open dialogue about this. In the meantime, if anyone would like to see a copy of my report, please email me (JosephLSchafer at gmail dot com) and I will be happy to send it to you.

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By: Darren Gruett http://www.ubfriends.org/2012/07/31/let-local-leaders-lead/#comment-4110 Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:40:15 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=4914#comment-4110 Good article, Ben. I think Paul’s example is the best to follow: plant a church and move on. That forced the local Christians to depend on the Lord and not Paul himself. Of course, Paul still had to go back and correct doctrinal issues that were arising in the churches from time to time, but he was by no means a micro manager or one who lorded power over others. In fact, at times he actually goes to great lengths to authenticate his apostleship (Gal 1), and yet it is always with an air of humility (1Co 15:8-11; 1Ti 1:12-16).

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