Comments on: On Lent and Fasting http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5701 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:07:44 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5701 Welcome Mary, nice to see you writing here! I agree, fasting must not necessarily be food related, though that’s the original meaning. In the Protestant Church in Germany I often heared the same advice as you are giving, subsumed under “fasting”. It’s important to catch the gist of such traditions, we must not always follow them literally. I think Lent could be also an opportunity to abandon some bad habit, and this might even have the positive effect that we completely break with that bad habit. It has been said that to learn a good habit or unlearn a bad habit, it takes 30 days. So the season of Lent would be more than sufficient to do that.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5687 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:07:13 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5687 Hi Mary and welcome to our virtual, dysfunctional yet friendly community!

(And yes, this is my beautiful, intelligent, faithful, incredible wife who has put up with hereticman by the grace of God for over 18 years :)

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5685 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:39:14 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5685 Mary, thanks for asking about this issue. In Scot McKnight’s book, he makes a distinction between fasting and abstinence. Fasting is a temporary stop in consuming food (and possibly drink). When you see fasting occurring in the Bible (OT and NT) that’s what the term actually means. Refraining from certain foods — for example, when Daniel ate only vegetables — or from alcohol or from hanging out with friends or from sexual relations or from other pleasurable activities — is called abstinence. McKnight’s book focuses on fasting, because that is what we see most often in the Bible, but similar ideas and guidelines would apply to abstinence and any other spiritual practice involving self-denial.

I think that the quote from Isaiah suggests that God is not impressed by fasting or abstinence if it is strictly an exercise in self-improvement. Rather, these practices are supposed to help us to be more in tune with others, especially those less fortunate, and with the God who cares for them. During Lent, Christians have traditionally linked fasting and abstinence with almsgiving and other acts of charity. For example, instead of buying a meal for yourself, you could take the money that you would have spent and use it to by a meal for someone else.

Abstaining from Facebook, a favorite TV show, etc. can be a good idea. What would make it even better is to recycle that time in a constructive way to express care and love toward God and toward others. That, I think, is the essence of Isaiah 58:6-7.

But one word of caution is in order. During Lent, it is never, ever advisable to abstain from UBFriends.

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By: Mary Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5682 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:42:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5682 Hello Joe, and thank you for the article!

One thing I wanted to mention that you touch on in point two, but don’t foreground, is that “fasting” during the Lenten season doesn’t necessarily have to be food related. I appreciate that yes, the definition of “fasting” does center around abstaining from food and/or drink; however, I think that the key to fasting during Lent is to deny oneself something of substance as a prayer offering to remember Christ and to share in his sufferings and sacrifice in some way (as you mentioned). That “something” doesn’t only have to be food/drink based. The verse you cited in Isaiah said “Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke.” These do not necessarily involve physical food or drink.

My point is not to criticize, but to open up the possibility for those that may be unfamiliar with Lent and who may not be able to deny themselves food/drink for whatever reason, that abstaining from or “fasting” a favorite TV show, for example, or an hour a day spent on Facebook (or whatever), if done with the right heart and spirit, can also be pleasing to God and can help us to remember Christ’s sacrifice during this season.

I’m interested about the book you referenced by McKnight; does he refer to fasting only as based on food and drink, or does he see the possibility of “fasting” or “abstaining” in other areas as well?

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5680 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:23:47 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5680 But seriously Joe, you echo (once again) what the Holy Spirit has been teaching me… a ministry of listening and blogging in order to remember and call back to honesty and reality.

If there is anything we “must” do, it is to remember the pain of those who went before us.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5677 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:08:01 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5677 One of my virtual friends told me they expected I would have an eye-patch and a hook. So you probably need to through in some Jack Sparrow!

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5676 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:01:44 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5676 Brian, the song also reminds me of you. I believe that God has called you to a ministry of co-suffering with others.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5675 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:59:34 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5675 I love this song! Johnny Cash was certainly an outlaw preacher.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5673 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:56:09 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5673 yes, I’ll correct the typo

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5671 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:50:42 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5671 Hi Joe, thanks for your article. My “problem” with fasting is that a primary motivation may be vanity, i.e. I do not want to nor like to gain weight. But a sense of hunger, even with such a poor motivation, does help me to keep my heart in Christ, his Spirit, his Word.

Maybe this is a typo. You wrote in your article: “The Incarnation of the Son of God was not meant to redeem our bodies, not to defeat them.”

Did you mean this instead? “The Incarnation of the Son of God was meant to redeem our bodies, not to defeat them.”

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5670 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:32:52 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5670 Thanks, Brian.

When I think of Point #2, I’m reminded of the song “Man in Black” by Johnny Cash. He was a man who closely identified with the poor, the marginalized, and those who were in prison. His custom of wearing black was a spiritual practice.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/02/19/on-lent-and-fasting/#comment-5668 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:15:01 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=5545#comment-5668 Point #2 is excellent and matches what the Spirit has been leading me to do this Lent. I love the Isaiah 58:6-7 reference. I am learning that there is much to learn about the fulfilling of the Prophets work accomplished on the cross. Not only did the cross fulfill the Law, but also the Prophets. I’m pondering that and searching for Scripture to explain that part of the work on the cross.

This Lent I’m moved as never before, not to give up something, but to deny my self and listen, speak, and ponder more deeply. This does in fact require me to give up my own pride, woundedness and sense of failure. I am finding this Lent that God has indeed given me a ministry, and I seek to hear His voice leading me to discover that ministry and where it may lead.

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