Comments on: Why Trump and Evangelicals Go Together http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19501 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:58:52 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19501 *the education is not horrible, it’s not equal.
Talent is universal, but opportunity is not.

]]> By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19500 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:57:46 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19500 I wish “Make America Great Again” would imply better education.
The education in this country is horrible and it is only for the rich.
I don’t understand why university education is so expensive here as opposed to other countries.
The education of ones citizens is the greatest investment a country/government can make.
There has to be a more viable option, then student debt.

]]> By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19479 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 22:45:08 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19479 Neither is perfect nor ideal. But in an imperfect world, I guess I “prefer” populist to political, since the repeated and ongoing political shenanigans has simply made so many people sick with politics and political self-interests.

Maybe it’s just that I prefer obviously disgusting younger brother “populist” sinners, instead of prim and proper, well-behaved, hypocritical, older brother “politically correct” sinners.

Of course, both sides are disgusting and both sides are hypocritical to varying degrees!

]]> By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19478 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:29:14 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19478 I read an article recently that said one of the reasons trump is so successful now in general is because he has no respect for government.

This was a meaningful statement. I think we could characterize 90% of his insane behavior as lacking respect for anything connected with government.

The reason this is possible is that so many Americans also have no respect for government.

However, I think the connection between the evangelicals and Trump being about making an empire called America. “Make America Great Again” is a self-defeating campaign.

I just feel like the world we live in is one where most things are completely irrelevant. I have no doubt this is part of leading up to the unbelievable international behaviors we see in Revelation.

]]> By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19475 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:26:39 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19475 You hit the nail on the head, Chris. Populist is the precise term which defines Trump. If we’re lucky, this campaign run will send him into bankruptcy for the fifth time after which we won’t hear from him for a long time.

]]> By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19474 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:29:20 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19474 Had the same thoughts. In short, Trump is a populist, like Le Pen in France or Zhirinovsky in Russia. Every country has this category of politicians. They say these “politically incorrect” things exactly because they know a certain part of the population likes to hear them. Mainstream politicians cannot say these things, but populists can. I agree with David, populists are not to be acknowledged for their “honesty.” They are sleazy persons who do not deserve any respect. Trump is simply disgusting like all the other populist politicians I know.

]]> By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19473 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:25:52 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19473 Ben, I’m kind of mystified by some of your descriptions of trump. You make him sound like someone who is not agenda driven in any way and just wants to sincerely lend a hand in helping their country to live up to what some percieve as unparalleled greatness. I would say that these statements are actually the opposite of what trump embodies:

He doesn’t care what others think.

He doesn’t care if he wins or loses.

He doesn’t play politics and is not trying to be politically correct.

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]]> By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19462 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:52:10 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19462 Sounds horrible. It also sounds virtually like what everyone has been saying about him!

]]> By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19461 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:32:59 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19461 Donald Trump is devilishly cruel on multiple levels. Imperious and proud. When people point this out to him we dismisses it as “politically correct” because otherwise we might be able to have a conversation about it. I am all for his style, but the things he says are absolutely indefensible. After being informed his supports nearly beat an immigrant to death he responded by calling them “passionate”, when being told white supremacists support him his response is “A lot of people like me.” When he is asked a question he doesn’t know he refuses to respond and when he is asked questions in arenas where he is forced to respond he either comments on the character of the journalist, or else says something complete asinine like “That’s a ‘gotcha question’ its not important to know… but tomorrow I will know more about it than you ever will.”

It saddens me because I can’t vote for him, and I also can’t vote for someone who self describes himself as a socialist.

]]> By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19460 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:45:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19460 Besides being rich, successful, entrepreneurial and entertaining, I think Trump has several attractive attributes, which also makes him easy to criticize and condemn. I’m not saying that this would make him a good president, just that these traits garner interest, even from people who are not at all interested in politics.

He doesn’t care what others think.

He doesn’t care if he wins or loses.

He doesn’t play politics and is not trying to be politically correct.

He is being himself and thus comes across as fresh (or bratty), instead of coming across as trying to win votes or approval.

As much as many do not like what he says, say regarding women and immigration, etc, many think those exact same things but know they will get lynched if they say it. But Trump doesn’t care and just lets it rip.

]]> By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19456 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:27:44 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19456 Thank you for sharing this. I also was wondering why Trump has been so popular with the Republican Party and I think you hit the nail on the head with #3, “They both depend on money.”

But a country is not a company. And success is not defined by your net worth. I personally do not want my country led by a fromer beauty pageant manager and reality tv star. Yes, Trump knows how to make money but that’s not all that’s important. Trump’s good at getting himself rich, but can he lead a nation with 300 million people?

Or is his candidacy a joke to get everyone to vote democrat? I just don’t understand how anyone can take him seriously. Are his supporters simply those who have disdained Obama for so long? Seriously, though what political experience has Trump had? Is he really going to run?

]]> By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19453 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:57:08 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19453 This may be somewhat of a half-baked notion here, so take caution. It appears as though Christ’s greatness was his willingness and competency in identifying and ministering to people from diverse walks of life. He also exposed the insidious nature of hypocrisy, especially that of a religious persuasion, through his life and actions. In the end, he gladly died for the ethic of love and truth which indeed made up the very character that he possessed and, which we so love. He died in obscurity as a common criminal and did not seek pomp and circumstance while he was alive.

In contrast, I see quite the opposite attitude in what is known as the Evangelical Industrial Complex (EIC). Leaders seek to become highly visible, to amass a plethora of Twitter followers and have no qualms about buying themselves onto the NY Times best seller list (even some very well known conservative pastors). Pastors become ‘brands’ and make small fortunes off of book sales and speaking fees. This is the Christianity that America loves and has embraced for some time. This is the Christianity that is worthy and willing to elect Trump as its leader.

]]> By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19452 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:57:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19452 I think that in our fallen humanity the desire for greatness become twisted and perverted, both individually and nationally. As a result, the illustrations of greatness by both individuals and nations are basically ugly.

If I am to be frank and entirely honest, I desire greatness for myself, my children, my country (the U.S. and my home country Malaysia), my ethnicity (Chinese) and my church.

But I do not have to flaunt it, boast about it, brag about it, insist on it, spin it, shove it in the face of others, etc. I can simply allow God to do whatever his plan and purpose is, regardless of whether I like it or not.

As you pointed out, I should strive, not for greatness, but for goodness (and love), and in particular to learn how to humbly submit to God’s sovereign secret will, plan and purpose for myself and for his creation.

]]> By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19451 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:19:12 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19451 I would nuance and extend this a bit more, Ben. And we need to consider both the individual level and the national level.

While I agree the desire for greatness is not good or bad itself for a person, the desire for a great nation is a dangerous thought that has led to disastrous consequences historically. For Christians, we have no city this side of Heaven.

I don’t see advancing the kingdom of God as bound to establishing a political nation. We are not seeking to build a great empire, but to bring God’s kingdom to earth seeking to love–to love everyone.

I would say we ought to seek to be good, not to be great. Seeking to do great things is fine, but I see our desire to be good at the heart of doing great things.

I like Google’s philosophy “don’t be evil” and “great is not always good enough” Google’s philosophy

On an individual level, when the disciples argued about who is the greatest, Jesus directed them to be like little children. They could do great things when they had goodness in them (Luke 9:46-62).

]]> By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/18/why-trump-and-evangelicals-go-together/#comment-19450 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:50:04 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9586#comment-19450 We all desire greatness since we are all made in God’s image. The desire for the U.S. to be great is not necessarily bad or wrong. The way Trump has gone about it stirs people up in arrogance and bravado, the way some Christians, churches and ministries tout their own greatness and superiority.

His claim to love Scripture seems to just be his way of winning Christian votes.

Making lots of money is not necessarily a sin. My philosophy regarding money is three fold: 1) Make as much money as you can. 2) Save as much money as you can. 3) Give away as much money as you can. #2 and #3 should be secret before God, while #1 seems to be what most people obsess about.

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