Comments on: Four Signs of Healthy Community http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: jdkim http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19737 Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:27:23 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19737 I agree, her research has been very eye-opening to me and has shed light on the power of the Gospel truths even though she doesn’t talk about the Gospel per se.

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By: cmdiaz http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19733 Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:49:55 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19733 The difference between a healthy church response and a UBF cult response.

Pope Francis to the victims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests: “I hold the stories and sufferings and sorrow of these children deep in my heart. I remain overwhelmed with shame that men entrusted with the tender care of children violated these little ones and caused grievous harm. I am profoundly sorry. God weeps.”

Multiple UBF leaders and there response told me and the victims: “You will say it never happened and we will never speak of this matter again. Besides it was your own fault for putting yourself in that situation…”
“Don’t bring the church down because of your sins. If you were writting testimonies maybe this wouldn’t have happened to you. You should carry this experience as part of your cross.”
“Look, we’ve forgotten about it so why can’t you just get over it?”

Most of these responses were from the parents of children who were molested… these parents are current leaders in the UBF cult.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19730 Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:01:09 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19730 Thanks for your kind words. I know that some evangelical Christians distrust Brene Brown because she doesn’t speak in Christian-ese. But her insights have been a great help to many people, and she communicates many deep truths of the gospel.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19728 Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:08:02 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19728 Thanks, JD. This is worth restating again and again!: ” We need a place where we are affirmed for who we are, not for what we do or are expected to do…” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19726

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By: jdkim http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19726 Thu, 15 Oct 2015 16:15:31 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19726 Joe, thanks for this post. I really liked this article. I’ve been reading “The Gifts of Imperfection” by Brene Brown. It made me think also about community, especially having a sense of belonging. She talks about the difference between belonging and “fitting in”. We need a place where we are affirmed for who we are, not for what we do or are expected to do in the church community. Just fitting in is actually a hindrance to belonging and is unhealthy.

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By: National Park http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19698 Thu, 08 Oct 2015 16:38:43 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19698 Although my name is National Park, my vision is to raise 120 member heterosect fellowship with all kinds of strange people from strange nations, all united by doing same mission together as one to one Bible teachers using same methods that came from God through the servant of God Missionary Dr Samuel Lee, Amen!

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By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19696 Thu, 08 Oct 2015 16:22:36 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19696 Indeed I do, Mr. Park. I should be posting an article on it soon. I’ve just been a bit busy lately. Be forewarned, Mcknight is an advocate for HOT sects, so I hope that you can stomach the forthcoming discussions.

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By: National Park http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19695 Thu, 08 Oct 2015 15:48:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19695 We must do heterosects not homosects. So it was recommended to read Fellowship of Different by Scott MacNight. Do you know this book?

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By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19694 Thu, 08 Oct 2015 15:11:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19694 Look at you, National Park, with yo sects-y self.

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By: National Park http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19693 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 23:01:36 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19693 People of Sodom practiced homosect. They attacked Lot because he was different. They said: “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!” (Gen 19:9) They were all destroyed. God hates homosect. Homosect is sin!

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By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19692 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 21:09:48 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19692 that certainly is a good alternative. human nature dictates that complete abstinence is simply a pipe dream for most. education and safety are the way to go.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19691 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 20:30:09 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19691 I prefer JohnY’s SHOT sects, because I like to be safe.

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By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19690 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 19:17:29 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19690 Ben, is there such a thing as HOT sects? Kind of seems like a contradiction in terms, but it has a nice ring to it. (boy are we milking this for all it’s got.)

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By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19689 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 17:01:46 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19689 Same here. But I wasn’t born this way. I fault ubf for being such a sect-sy organization full of brazenly sect-sy people.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19686 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 16:25:37 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19686 So this means most ubfers are homosectuals.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19685 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 16:23:48 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19685 Yes indeed, I too am out of the homosectual closet. I am a recovering from my homo incurvatus in se.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19683 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:37:47 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19683 Ben, thank you for coming out of the closet. I too am a former homosectual and was healed by the grace of God.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19682 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:23:37 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19682 My confession and repentance: I was an affirming homosectual Christian from 1980. Only by God’s mercy and grace alone, I sincerely and humbly and wholeheartedly repent with fear and trembling and with humility and tears of my homosectual practices for a quarter of a century! Now I am free of all homosectual desires and tendencies for almost a decade. This is all glory to God alone.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19681 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 10:53:51 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19681 Homosex is… I’ll assume you know.

Homosect is an appropriate term for a community that has turned inward upon itself (incurvatus in se). The group shows love toward people who appear be just like them, who have the same values and lifestyle. It may also show love toward nonmembers who are moving toward fully committed membership. Anyone who criticizes or rejects the group’s ideals is treated like a tax collector or sinner.

Some are fond of proclaiming, “Homosex is sin!”

Let me suggest that “Homosect is sin.”

Some people were born into a homosect. Others willfully chose a homosectual lifestyle. If you have been deeply involved in homosect for many years, it will be very hard to change. But you can change if you really want to. Jesus can heal you of homosectuality. But you have to acknowledge your sin, repent, and abstain from homosectual behavior. You will have to stop attending homosect gatherings and stay away from homosectual friends, because they can be a source of temptation.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19680 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 18:53:38 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19680 Steven reviewed the paperback edition, and somehow Amazon is taking a long time to link up the actual review.

You can see it here:

Amazon review of Identity Snatchers by Steven Hassan

The 4 stars show up though!

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19679 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 17:15:23 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19679 “Maybe I’ll share the Forewords (from Ben and Joe) in an article.” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19677 I was considering doing this, but please do it.

Do you know why Hassan’s review did not appear on Amazon. Did he post it anywhere?

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19678 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 16:50:11 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19678 Your comment here Ben is a good example of why I included an entire chapter called “Finding Redmeption”, entirely focused on you and Westloop. To find redemption is stage 7 in the identity transformation process I outline in my book.

I really hope and pray more of us can face reality:

“This facing the facts of reality is not a loss of faith. It is rather, the first step on the path of redemption. The Biblical example is Abraham himself. The book of Romans in the Bible, chapter 4, tells this story. For example: “He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah’s womb.” Romans 4:19 ESV. Considering the reality of our lives is an important part of Christian faith.”
–Identity Snatchers, pg. 118

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19677 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 16:38:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19677 So then, setting aside the sects jokes for a moment… Those communities who do not foster open dialogue earn the label of sect, or as I say, cult.

I hope ubfers will process my new book. Maybe I’ll share the Forewords (from Ben and Joe) in an article.

The cult label was earned by ubf leaders practicing UBFism. This is not so bad– the bad thing is not addressing the label.

“Brian left the Univeristy Bible Fellowship after 24 years of deep and passionate membership to wake up and discover that in fact it is a mind control cult. His book is a must read for anyone who is currently involved with UBF and also for former members, friends and any others who are interested in the cult phenomenon. There is a healing path out of a group that one was involved with for decades, but it takes research, good counseling, honesty and time. A good support system too!

As a former member of Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church, I welcome more accounts like Brian’s to shed a light on the many cult groups who misuse the Bible and human authority to control people and make them into slaves.”
Steven Hassan, author of Combating Cult Mind Control: The #1 Best-selling Guidebook​ to Protection, Rescue and Recovery from Destructive Cults

“To current UBF leaders and members, I say this: The cult label is not something that Brian drummed up. It’s something that you earned by decades of boorish behavior. When any organization does the things that you do, the outside world will call it a cult. Instead of complaining, I suggest you deal with it.”
–Joe Schafer, Identity Snatchers – Foreword, pg.11

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19676 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 16:32:18 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19676 “I remember why I was not open to sharing authority in my house church setting. There were people with whom I could have shared authority… In my mind the ministry was mine. I tried to not share the authority with elders.” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19675

Thanks for your honesty, openness and transparency in sharing this! I believe that your sharing is liberating for you and edifying to those who read it.

Only by God’s grace alone, when WL started in 2008 we had about 7 original families. My first word to everyone was “This is NOT my chapter, but YOURS.” Still, with our ubf background and ideas, people inclined toward leaning on me and waiting for my lead, since I am the oldest and have been around the longest. I did so for over a quarter of a century. But I decided it had to end.

But the old culture of a top down paradigm with one person calling the shots takes time to dissipate.

So I resisted garnering the authority to myself and did my best to cut the cord of dependency. Now I have a sense that the ministry and chapter is no longer mine, but that everyone has a voice. In fact, it often seems that when I’m not around for a month or so, the ministry seems to be better!

Also, anyone can critique me (and they do, and sometimes not so nicely!). Anyone can openly disagree with me, and everyone is encouraged to take the initiative regarding any venture.

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By: Kevin Jesmer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19675 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:42:36 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19675 I remember why I was not open to sharing authority in my house church setting. There were people with whom I could have shared authority and I could have attempted to instill an elder board. First, I never knew the importance of it.I never was taught that this is an important part of church planting. I guess it came with my ignoring the missionary team, aspect of church planting. But the big reason is that I truly felt that since I sacrificed so much to build the house church, with my own money and my own Bible teaching and the church was our family home, then no one had the right to have authority to have significant input. What if they chose something I didn’t like, will I still have to keep providing the home and the vast majority of the money for something that I didn’t agree with? In my mind the ministry was mine. I tried to not share the authority with elders. But in the end, look what happened. I was depressed to tears and the ministry came to not. But God came to my rescue. Praise Jesus.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19674 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:00:35 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19674 What’s the difference between homosex and homosects?

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19673 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 13:32:58 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19673 I’ve heard the correct term is homosects.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19671 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 13:28:42 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19671 LOL. Just watch out for those homosexual sects… I hear they have an evil agenda.

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By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19670 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:37:49 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19670 See, Brian that’s exactly what I’m talking about. If we can’t talk about sects even in an environment like this, how can we ever hope to successfully educate our kids on this matter? Sooner or later they’ll learn it from someone, be it sects education in school or god forbid, learning about sects in some darkened alley. And Lord knows that secular society already has such a negative attitude towards sects. Why can’t we just talk about this openly and at least be advocates of practicing safe sects?!

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19669 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:22:29 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19669 No sects, no families.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19667 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 22:27:28 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19667 OMG! I’m ROTFL! I thought this is supposed to be a family-friendly site :)

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By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19664 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 19:33:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19664 He calls them sects. And he says that sects are often religious in nature, but not always. – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#sthash.kkbvk3mT.dpuf

It’s like the old saying goes, if you want to be truly fruitful, in the religious sense, then have lots of sects…

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19663 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 18:58:17 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19663 “But Brian, have you read Steve Hassan’s book?”

Yes. I quote Hassan in 2 of my books. His BITE model has in fact shaped almost all of my actions thus far.

But I cannot analyze his work or do justice to it yet, as I don’t have the capacity. I am still reconnecting with my own identity and shedding the trap of UBFism/anti-UBFism.

I will be sharing a review of Hassan’s latest book here soon. It is so eerie how much the Moonies and UBFism have in common. Hopefully I can also share my interview at some point.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19662 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 18:53:02 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19662 Yes indeed, Hassan is WAY more of a scholar than me. I will not claim to be an academic :)

My book is experience based, from the insider view of a practitioner. Even Steve mentioned to me that we need more former member stories. We have much analysis from the likes of the late Dr. Singer and from Hassan himself.

What we don’t have are personal stories that confirm cults still are thriving in the year 2015 in the West. Many people don’t even know the Moonies existed and have already forgotten about Jonestown. They think cults don’t exist on American campuses. So we need more witnesses!

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19661 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 18:39:38 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19661 I realized this just a few years ago: “Much of the Bible was written by people who analyzed the shortcomings and problems of their own religious community.” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19656

Much of the OT consist of prophets pronouncing judgment on the sins of their own people.

Virtually all of the epistles of the NT addresses some problem IN the church.

But seemingly, today the church seems to be primarily focused on denouncing the countless ills and sins of society at large, as though the church is comprised of holy saints who sin “very little.”

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By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19660 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 18:01:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19660 What will bring about freedom?

More books like mine.

– See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19658

But Brian, have you read Steve Hassan’s book? I’m not sure why you would fail to mention his seeing as how seminal and highly regarded it is. You should really mention his book every single time you speak of yours. Just saying… Lol, just kidding. Couldn’t resist. Looking forward to reading your book. Thanks!

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19658 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:46:32 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19658 “Just give us more time! We are changing. We are not like that anymore. Empty words from UBF leaders. I cannot count how many times we former members have heard such fake promises. What we former members want is not so much to be apologized to as to be listened to. Instead of facing the facts of their reality and listening to what former members have been telling them for decades, the leaders at the group continue to cultivate a toxic environment filled with broken promises and increased effort to recommit to the UBF ministry. In spite of such doubled effort, the organization continues to spiral into chaos, even while putting on a good show.”
Identity Snatchers, pg.117

Ben, I don’t think such humbling will ever occur. And if it does occur, I seriously doubt that such humbling would bring about the freedom and respect ubfers are seeking. Such humbling will only be for the sake of more glory to UBF leaders and to the promoting of UBFism.

What will bring about freedom?

More books like mine. To coincide with the special week that this is, the one week that ubfers love to celebrate UBFism, that holy of holy founder’s day weeks, I am going to be offering my new book for FREE.

Identity Snatchers: Exposing a Korean Campus Bible Cult (Kindle Edition)

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19657 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:42:29 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19657 David makes an excellent point. Much of the Bible was written by people who analyzed the shortcomings and problems of their own religious community. The idea of a community whitewashing its history and refusing to consider or evaluate its mistakes is profoundly unbiblical.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19656 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:38:20 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19656 Brian asked: “What identity does Vanier give to such controlling groups? – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#sthash.0Mf4tKkc.dpuf

He calls them sects. And he says that sects are often religious in nature, but not always.

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By: David W http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19653 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 16:46:36 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19653 The million dollar question, for me at least, is how can a community step back and analyze itself in such a way that it acts as a quasi-objective observer and subsequently rights its own ship. In my mind, this is the only hope for change (and it’s still not a sure shot). Think about the OT text. This is to me one of the most remarkable documents in history because it provides a profoundly insightful view into a community’s successes and failures. The authors would not allow history to be white-washed because they realized that doing so would unequivocally seal the fate of their community; they would be doomed to repeat the same mistakes. And is Israel is not necessarily unique in this regard. There have been countless historians and keen observers who have sought to change the tide of their respective community, thereby acting somewhat as prophets. So when a community fails to realistically observe itself and also silences prophetic voices, what else is there left to do?

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19652 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 16:37:38 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19652 I’m really thankful for this review.

I know there’s a time for real criticism . . . but that gets stale on people with calloused hearts.

Vanier is a person who really has set the world an example. Amazing (and is it really surprising?) that he would learn what he learned through people with special needs.

There was *always* a part of me that felt concerned when my bible teacher talked about “Shepherd Heart”. There was something inside me that said, “Yeah, but . . . ” and I think what I see here of Vanier’s words really resonate with that part inside me.

It’s a shame that to advocate for this kind of healthy community in UBF in an open way results in such shame and bitterness.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19651 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 16:13:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19651 Thanks for sharing Joe.

I would be curious to know what we call such a group? What identity does Vanier give to such controlling groups? Are they simply “unhealthy”? And what solutions and ways forward to change from dying to living does he give?

“When a community is closed and fearful of true dialogue where each person is respected, it is a sign of death not of life.”

Should we just say the groups are ok and not so dangerous? I think we need some concrete terms if the groups are ever to change.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19650 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:48:59 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19650 “The second sign of healthy belonging … It does not use or manipulate others (and) does not impose its vision on others but instead prefers to listen to what they are saying and living, to see in them all that is positive. It helps others to make their own decisions; it empowers them. When a community is closed and fearful of true dialogue where each person is respected, it is a sign of death not of life.”

As I have often said, any view, opinion or perspective that does not line up with the so-called “core values” of UBF is more or less disparaged, despised and maligned. This is truly very sad, unfortunate and un-Christ-like.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19648 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:42:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19648 +1 This excellent quote, I believe, is close to the root of issues experienced by those who have been hurt and wounded by UBF over the past half century: “We learn how to resolve the conflicts that arise when one person seeks to dominate another. …power is not imposed from on high, but all members seek to work together as a body. The implication is that we see each other as persons and not just as cogs in a machine. We open up and interact with each other so that all can participate in the making of decisions.”

The inability or refusal of the senior UBF leader to even just listen to or consider the opposing opinion of a junior person has led to tremendous amount of conflict, angst and frustration.

My hope and prayer is that this begins to change when older senior leaders seriously learn to humble themselves (which they love preach to others!), and not think of themselves as though they are the indispensable members of UBF who know what is best for everyone else.

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By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/05/four-signs-of-healthy-community/#comment-19647 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:24:36 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9651#comment-19647 excellent!

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