Comments on: I’m Praying For You http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/13/im-praying-for-you/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/13/im-praying-for-you/#comment-19725 Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:11:54 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9684#comment-19725 Precisely one of my points, MJ! The problem in general is not “I’m praying for you”. The problem is the abuse of prayer at groups like UBF.

Prayer is well and good, and for more, to say “I’ll pray for you” may not be an insult. I would honestly like to understand what meaning people have for this phrase?

The subtext here is that “I’m praying for you” is a trauma trigger I and many former members have to deal with.

How was the undue religious influence entering into my life? Well primarily through prayer sessions (Darn, I need to add a chapter to my book!).

]]> By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/13/im-praying-for-you/#comment-19724 Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:27:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9684#comment-19724 I completely agree. The context is very important. The issue is not the four words, “I’m praying for you,” whether said by a ubf er or the Pope. The semantic meaning is harmless enough, but the pragmatic meaning is what is harmful. Those same words can be spoken out of genuine love and sincerity of heart or maliciously and condescendingly. “I’m praying for you,” can also be an excuse to not acknowledge the issue a person has, but a way of backhandedly saying “I don’t want to talk about this anymore.”

I also agree that “prayer” can be wrong if it becomes a tool to attempt to control God or give him advice. It is also wrong when it is used to control people. Prayer can even be used self-righteously as a way to show off. But ultimately prayer is “not a means to an end, but an end in of itself.” Prayer is a conversation with God, communion with God.

I had a friend who said, “Don’t tell me you’re praying for me. If you are, I should be able to see God working without you having to tell me you’re praying.” and I agree with Him. We don’t have to tell people we are praying for them. Let’s just pray and those we pray for will find out on their own. Or if they never know that’s fine too. It’s God who works, not us.

]]> By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/13/im-praying-for-you/#comment-19723 Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:15:04 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9684#comment-19723 I think the Pope would just bless you on the spot. To say “I will pray for you” seems to be a Protestant thing, but maybe that is just my experience. It seems to be a fuzzy feeling type thing said in passing without much real meaning.

What does it mean to say “I will pray for you?” And if you actually do pray for someone, what are you praying for?

The only meaning I know is in UBFism… to say such a thing means “I want you to stay in UBF” and “You have something to change because of your sin”.

]]> By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/10/13/im-praying-for-you/#comment-19722 Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:25:21 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9684#comment-19722 Here are some spontaneous thoughts: If Pope Francis met me and said, “Ben, I’m praying for you,” it might be the highlight of my life. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to forget that for the rest of my life. So, perhaps the prayer per se of “I’m praying for you” is not the primary issue, as you alluded to in your article.

Yes, it is absolutely true that it is no human’s job to change others, or even to think that they are the ones to change others. This is pride to the utmost to think of oneself in such a way, as though we are the center of God’s will over the lives of others which is as though we are center of the universe: https://tcmdaily.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/worldme.jpg.

Then the downside is “worm theology,” for if things do not work out, one thinks or says, “Oh, I’m no good. I didn’t do enough. I’m so bad. I’m so lazy. I didn’t work hard. I didn’t pray enough. I didn’t go fishing enough. My children fell into sin because of me. I watched too many movies.” This list is endless. It sounds humble, but it may be the epitome of pride and self-centeredness.

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