Comments on: Drink Your Wine

By: briank

briank — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:46:30 +0000

More related thoughts:

http://pastormark.tv/2011/09/14/faq-whats-your-stance-on-alcohol

By: Mary Spratt

Mary Spratt — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 17:24:32 +0000

Oh yes Brian, I understand what you are saying and totally agree. From what I can see UBF tries to keep people in a child like state, always answering to them for everything. Again, I see nothing wrong with an adult having a drink or two. I do know UBF uses shame to control lives. I see now what you are saying. Keep on listening to the Holy Spirit to guide you in these blogs. I feel they are exactly what UBF needs to hear as well as any other believer reading this. I know since my grandson has been in UBF he seems so sad and afraid to be himself when he comes home on the week end. I am praying for your ministry, cause that is what this web site is.

I believe the Holy Spirit is using you in a mighty way.

By: BrianK

BrianK — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:09:26 +0000

David and Andrew: I think UBF needs a healthy dose of Ukrainian and Russian influence!

By: BrianK

BrianK — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:08:04 +0000

Mary, you bring up some very valid points. It is painful to hear about your story, but glad to hear that event worked out. This is exactly why I would think it wise and necessary for a college Christian ministry to have a “no-drinking” policy, and keep it absolutely. I am thankful UBF does do this, although it is an undocumented policy.

What I’m talking about is the treatment of older people (i.e. me), adults who are not college students. I fully know I should not cause others to fall in this area. But there is an equal danger in demanding adults to behave like single college students. I know so many married couples in UBF who are afraid to do “adult things”. They really should not be made to feel such shame.

By: Mary Spratt

Mary Spratt — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:34:59 +0000

Brian, I have mixed feeling on the drinking a little wine or beer. I grew up in the Assembly of God who frown on any drinking at all. I believe some people can drink in moderation if they desire. I can tell you the reason I don’t. The Bible says if we do something, even if we don’t think it is wrong, and it causes another christian to stumble we shouldn’t do it. Now I fast forward to my grandson. when he was a freshman at UIC he started drinking. First it was one drink, then one night he consumed so much alcohol he went unconscious. His friends got him back to his house and into the basement and left him with his young brother. He was out of it vomiting and choking on his vomit. Finally his brother got so scared he got his parents, they had to call the paramedics. He had alcohol poisoning. He could have died. Now I know that doesn’t always happen, but why do something that can bring such heartache to people. Now I believe if a believer would be with my grandson and have a drink it could give him a mixed signal.That is why I chose to not do it at all. This is a subject that each individual has to work out with his own fear and trembling. I don’t believe someone will lose his salvation if he drinks in moderation. I just chose not to, lest someone else would stumble in excess.

By: David Bychkov

David Bychkov — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:06:06 +0000

Actually on one of our UBF weddings I was almost drunken :)

By: Andrew Shpagin

Andrew Shpagin — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:24:53 +0000

Funny, on our wedding in UBF conference we was allowed to kiss during ceremony and even had traditional “Gorko!” and peoples (ubfers & guests) was drinking wine on our wedding. We insisted that it should be so :) But it is BIG exception. I don’t remember it was anymore with someone.

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:04:21 +0000

I remember listening to the UBF Sunday sermon about the marriage at Cana, where it was said that it was “unthinkable” that the host ran out of wine, and then the next week on a UBF wedding, nobody was given any drop of wine, and when I asked why they told me that was “unthinkable” for a missionary. Oh these holy inconsistencies in UBF! Even in Russia, they would have marriages without a drop of vodka or dancing which is really really unthinkable, but they were proud of it.