Comments on: Final Post http://www.priestlynation.com/final-post/ my journey of recovery from University Bible Fellowship Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:34:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6.1 By: briank http://www.priestlynation.com/final-post/#comment-619 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:06:18 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=712#comment-619 Hannah, all I really can say is “amen”. I respect your decision to stay. I hope you can respect my decision to leave. I felt the same as you, but clearly sensed God’s leading to leave in hopes of accomplishing the same thing: praying for the work of the Holy Spirit.

I have no interest in persuading anyone to leave or to stay in UBF. My prayer is that people think for themselves and seek to re-center their theology on the grace of God and basic Christian doctrine.

Yes, all churches have problems. But one thing to keep in mind is that not all churches have off-center theology. And in my observation, any Christian church has some way of addressing corruption. Almost no Christian church would allow corruption to continue.

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By: Hannah http://www.priestlynation.com/final-post/#comment-618 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:44:31 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=712#comment-618 Thanks, Brian, for your comments..

I do not deny your observation on ubf.. Sadly, most of them are true, but personally, I made a decision to stay in this church not because of some pressure from certain group of people, but because it seemed more proper to remain, praying for the work of the Holy Spirit for the purification of this body of Christ. After all, God saved me through the labor of people belonging to this church and I think we, humans are prone to corrupt and become political without unceasing repentance before God.. so not just ubf, but also any other churches too..

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By: briank http://www.priestlynation.com/final-post/#comment-617 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:13:27 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=712#comment-617 Hello Hannah and thank you for commenting. I thank God that your experience has been a good one thus far.

However, I seriously doubt your statement “none of things you’ve mentioned in your articles hasn’t happened yet.” Have you actually read my articles? What things are you referring to?

There are likely some reasons for your good experience:

– Perhaps you are in a house church in NY with only a few members?

– UBF is a network of many independent groups. While the UBF “flavor” is evident in all of them, each group has been given “absolute freedom” to do any kind of ministry they want, as long as a few basic requirements are kept (such as sending money and numbers to the main headquarters and not infringing on someone else’s chapter).

– NY UBF leaders may have rejected or modified the hardcore UBF heritage. This is entirely possible because I know some of them there and they have made significant progress in becoming a healthy group. One of the leaders in particular has been a good and Godly influence there.

– Some problems won’t ever be experienced by “second gen” coworkers (I’m guessing you are one?). You are the “hope” of UBF leadership, especially if you are a Korean second gen. You will be given more and more freedom and blessing. UBF leaders have already determined to skip over the American or other native leaders in my generation. Leadership will be handed over to 2nd gens in the coming decade, with perhaps a few native leaders appointed for publicity sake. This is documented in the “blue book”.

So it is indeed somewhat difficult to generalize UBF characteristics these days. However, some issues are very clear in all UBF:

1. The official doctrine of UBF as published in the “blue book” is not centered on the grace of God and needs major revamping. If you are in UBF, you need to know what this book says. Perhaps like most, you can just ignore it.

2. The dictator style leadership structure centered on exclusive Korean leadership is still in place. It is changing but will take many years to become healthy. NY UBF is connected to UBF only by one person officially.

3. UBF remains a private church. The only way to be a member is to be invited and assigned a shepherd to study with. If you attend a Sunday service in UBF, you won’t last long unless you submit to one-to-one study. Many chapters now have a university outreach with another name, such as your NYUseed. Those ministries really have nothing to do with mainline UBF, other than association by name and a few members attending from UBF.

4. UBF remains centered on an elitist, ideological foundation: to make 100,000 missionaries in the next 29 years (by 2041) and to make all nations to be UBF nations (i.e. priestly nations). The sacrifice needed to produce 100,000 missionaries out of the 8,000 or so members currently is just unfathomable. If you are in UBF, you are part of this effort.

So yes, as you experienced, changes are happening, for the better I think (such as The Well), but it will take years to produce fruit, unless a miraculous repentance happens.

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By: Hannah http://www.priestlynation.com/final-post/#comment-616 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:15:27 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=712#comment-616 Hi, Brian!
I’m Hannah Blessing from NY UBF.. Reading through your articles, I could feel your truth seeking heart and your honesty to yourself and others. It was also kind of sad to get to know that the UBF environment you’d experience was so draining, instead of refreshing and reviving.. Honestly, I agree with you in some parts, but I think it was too soon to generalize like that because my church atmosphere is quite different from your description. None of things you’ve mentioned in your articles hasn’t happened yet. This does not mean that my church is perfect.. There’re many things to be done by Him, but I do love my church as the body of Christ..(I came to make this decision more firmly after reading “Church, why bother” written by philip yancey..) But I do hope and pray God may lead your steps to the truth and to just the right ministry, through which His name can be glorified..

In His Grace,
Hannah Blessing

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By: briank http://www.priestlynation.com/final-post/#comment-589 Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:51:46 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=712#comment-589 Thanks Nick! Yes, my reading list is getting quite long. But I am a very, very slow reader of books. Maybe when I get my bi-focals I’ll read more :)

I’ve been thinking a lot these days about Jesus’ yoke of grace.

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By: Nick Muehling http://www.priestlynation.com/final-post/#comment-588 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:29:51 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=712#comment-588 Glad you like the book so far Brian. I thought it was fantastic. At the same time I also read “What is So Amazing About Grace” by Philip Yancey. This was also a great book that I recommend. I realized through both that it was grace that attracted me to Christ, grace that has kept me in Christ, grace that will sustain me eternally. The grace of God through Christ changes people and as Christians, grace should be the chief attribute of our lives. Graceless religion is what the Pharisees practiced and it is characterized by burden and self-righteousness rather than joy and peace.

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