Comments on: How to leave UBF? http://www.priestlynation.com/how-to-leave-ubf/ my journey of recovery from University Bible Fellowship Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:34:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6.1 By: Zoe http://www.priestlynation.com/how-to-leave-ubf/#comment-1563 Tue, 29 May 2012 23:07:05 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=571#comment-1563 My answer to this question is: Leave any way you can!

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By: Eric http://www.priestlynation.com/how-to-leave-ubf/#comment-1504 Thu, 24 May 2012 21:09:45 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=571#comment-1504 Man, I had another e-mail address that I switched when I was in U.B.F., because I had trouble accessing it and now I have access and I just found a freaking set of bizarre E-mails I never read from my former ‘Missionary’…

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By: BrianK http://www.priestlynation.com/how-to-leave-ubf/#comment-486 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:57:24 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=571#comment-486 Chris, very interesting reaction by Scientology. The number of twists to these groups is just mind-boggling! Thank you for the good info.

rsqubf, thanks for the update. Donna’s story is helpful to understand things.

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By: rsqubf http://www.priestlynation.com/how-to-leave-ubf/#comment-485 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:51:47 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=571#comment-485 Donna A.’s personal story at http://exubf.blogspot.com/2007/07/donna.html also sheds some light on deprogrammers and deprogramming as depicted by UBF leaders in the past.

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By: Chris http://www.priestlynation.com/how-to-leave-ubf/#comment-481 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:45:45 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=571#comment-481 Brian, I think I need to take up the cudgels for CAN and the “deprogrammers” here, and clarify some things.

First, you need to understand the time when the CAN and the deprogrammers were active. This was the time of the big cults Moon, Bhagwan, Jonestown and also the time of the Shepherding/Discipleship movement. Many parents suddenly lost their kids to these cults and were stumped and desperate. They would do anything to get their kids out of these cults.

There was not much experience at that time on how to do the exit counseling properly, and in fact it’s not so easy if your kid is kept away from you, maybe even living in a closed compound where you don’t have a chance to even speak with them. The only viable solution seemed to “kidnap” them and try to talk some sense into them during a limited period of time, e.g. a weekend. I’m sure some of the deprogrammers did not handle this very well, and maybe some did it only for the money. But not all deprogrammers were bad people, and over time they learned and refrained from their “brute force” method of the early days.

Also, the CAN (cult awareness network) did not engage in the deprogramming directly, they mainly collected information, and helped establish contact to exit counselors and deprogrammers. There never was an organized “deprogrammer” organization as UBF tried to make you believe. These deprogrammers were private businesses, some of them good, some not so good, nobody controlled them. I think that’s how America works – anybody can claim he’s a plumber or deprogrammer, no formal education is needed.

How the CAN went bankrupt is an amazing story. They soon became the enemy of Scientology, who went to war against them. First, as they usually do, it was a propaganda war, defaming the director of the CAN, Ms. Kisser. I remember how Samuel Lee relayed that misinformation to the UBF members, with his own twists, like claiming Ms. Kisser was a strip dancer. You can read such things in old UBF newsletters. It was all lies, spread by Scientology, and then twisted even more by Samuel Lee. Then Scientology used one case of a “failed” deprogramming (meanwhile, the deprogrammed person and his mother see it differently), their lawyers constructed a connection between the deprogrammer and CAN, and drove them into bankruptcy with a lawsuit. As you know, Scientology has much money and the best lawyers. They knew how to handle such things. CAN had much less money and support as you may think, they had no chance against Scientology.

But that was not all. The epitome of chutzpah was that after the bankruptcy, Scientology managed to buy CAN and all of its assets, and now operates CAN. I.e. people who were asking for information on cults now were consulted by Scientology staff! So there is no reason to be happy that CAN went bankcrupt. CAN had also collected a lot of valuable information about many cults, including UBF. Now all of this information is lost in the hands of Scientology.

In UBF they told you a very twisted and one-sided story about deprogramming and the CAN, you should start to see it more differentiated.

You can read about this all on the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_Awareness_Network) and on the website of Rick Ross who I think was the deprogrammer who Scientology sued (http://www.rickross.com/groups/newcan.html). Of course you need to take everything with a grain of salt. Scientology is known to manipulate Wikipedia articles, and Rick Ross is certainly also biased in this case, but I tend to believe him anyway, knowing full well how Scientology operates.

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By: Chris http://www.priestlynation.com/how-to-leave-ubf/#comment-479 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:45:32 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=571#comment-479 Most people leave UBF silently. This is because at the time when they are leaving, they just *begin* to see the problems, and still feel a lot of guilt. Some months after leaving UBF, when they had time to think and read about the issues, and discuss with other dropouts, they would have much more self-esteem and be able to express the reasons much better.

That’s another good reason to have information on UBF in the Internet, so that at least in retrospect, people can make some sense to what happened and not feel guilt-tripped for the rest of their lives.

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By: BrianK http://www.priestlynation.com/how-to-leave-ubf/#comment-468 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:21:20 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=571#comment-468 Mary, yes in America we are free because of the blood shed by American soldiers. I see no reason to denounce that freedom for the sake of obedience or loyalty to some other set of ideals. As someone pointed out to me many years ago, “freedom means freedom. We do not need to redefine it or spiritualize it.”

Andrew, I’m glad to read your Russian blog (though it takes me a lot longer to read :).

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By: Andrew Shpagin http://www.priestlynation.com/how-to-leave-ubf/#comment-462 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:23:35 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=571#comment-462 When I left UBF I published my reasons shortly on jesuschrisr.ru forum. But actually almost no one in UBF was really knowing the reason. So recently I decided to publish my full testimony on exubf-ru.blogspot.com about all of this because I felt that if it will not be exposed and captured for history – there was no much sense in all that struggling.

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By: Mary Spratt http://www.priestlynation.com/how-to-leave-ubf/#comment-461 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 03:58:20 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=571#comment-461 I like your final statement best of all. We live in a free country, where freedom of religion is a God given right. We do not owe anyone anywhere an explanation of why we chose to leave a church. We need only to search our hearts and listen to the Holy Spirit. We then can freely say I DON’T WANT TO STAY. THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE.

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