Admin note: Dupage UBF chapter is a sub-chapter of Chicago UBF
Based on a true story I experienced while attending U.B.F.The Back StoryI changed the title of this to th obsession ecause I want to plainly write out in the most simplest of form, what in fact U.B.F. is all about with the least mixed in humor so others can understand how serious this all is. You need to kno before I reveal this bizarre happening, I viewed my former UbF bible teachers interactions with me at the time not as a advances, but more as a bit of eccentric generousity. And I type advances, because I believe there to be some form of mental illness and behaviors that clearly need to be accepted and dealt with by the UBF leadership. Now, when I spell out advances I am not necessarily trying to make any sexual hinting (though you will see how it comes to the surface). One thing I want to make clear is I typed this from my own view and expierience of the events that transpired. I come with this from a somewhat anxious and awkward expression of literature, beacause the entire experience was not at all rational and it takes many events to explain. You can say that I was my own detective in the matter. I do not take any thrill from sharing my personal experience publicly other than its revealing how awesomely Just my God is to allow me to share with others. I want to explain, that since I no longer attend U.B.F. the Lord has blessed me greatly with only gifts He can give and has presented me with opportunity and Prosperity as only He can do. I say to everyone who is in U.b.F.! Take a chance by opening your true eyes, and ask yourselves who leads your life? You, someone else, or God? I never thought to ask such a question of myself and I was never brought up to do so. I originally attended U.B.F. over ten years ago for about 9 months, but only the last four months in that period of time did I seek to regularly attend. That experience that began back on the campus of College of Dupage shaped my life drastically afterwords I later came to realize. I will say it was a bizarre and troubling experience and I will touch on the details at some point in the future. Nevertheless, for years after this I became almost atheist, because of the impact U.B.F. had on me. Because of the circumstances I was met with in U.B.F. the first time I was there, I later began to lean towards hating God, but I also had a fear of God that remained in me from my youth thankfully. At that time, U.B.F. C.O.D. attended Chicago U.B.F. services and Samuel Lee had not yet died. I know now my early experience at U.B.F. back then poisoned me to believe that God sought us only for our deeds and that God was staring from Heaven and pointing His finger of judgement at us all our lives. I also believed that Evangelical Churches held impossible standards and that if you did not adhere to them as I experienced in U.b.F., you would go to hell. This was enough to lock me in a belief that kept me away from surrendering to God. Being told then if I left U.B.F. I would not be in good standing with God made me even more defiant. Well, years went by and my emptiness without God in my life grew more and more. Then one day several years ago I got ill and from there illness after illness struck me. It was terrible. I eventually started to consider this was it. I got to make a choice now. Take a chance with God, or live in misery with chronic illness that was slowly breaking my soul to pieces. I fell in the cursed belief that I had to go back to the past to solve my problems, for my doubt over everything to this point was suffocating me. So in this clouded time, I contacted U.B.F. C.O.D. for they had been contacting my family years after I orginally fled. Again, in a moment of weakness, I just thought I had to go back and relive this part of my past to figure out why my life went so awry. I also had put much of the things that took place in my time at U.B.F. before in the back of my mind. The best way to explain what I experienced at U.B.F. C.O.D. when I returned, was absolute sin-sanity. Some things had changed. U.B.F. C.O.D. no longer attended Chicago U.B.F. regularly and often had a rather tiny audience for their worship services at their ‘bible house’, much like all the rest of U.B.F. outside of Chicago I later uncovered. y return to U.B.F. showed me the truth of my past, but I also understand that if I had been more committed then to see past what was made by men in front of me and look to God, things might have been different, but I was much more impressionable then with everything else that was going on. Check out this article in a newspaper about U.B.F. to understand more http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/glenellyn/topstories/x1907512408/Group-leaves-Glen-Ellyn-home-after-14-years
- AGAIN, ALL WHAT I TYPE IS OF THE TRUTH! I WOULD TAKE A LIE DETECTOR TEST AND SWEAR AN OATH ON IT BEFORE MY GOD IF CONTESTED. It was so freaky and weird, that my own speculations and all that transpired cannot be shared for concern of my public admission being removed for legal reasons. That implying, there is definitely more than just what meets the eye here. Let me begin, after about a month of being in U.b.F. C.O.D. after my return, my U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ made a unique request, but at this point it did not seem so…how can I put it(???)…let me state abnormal. The setting for this is important before I begin. At the time I was residing with some family. I did not have transportation then and the U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ decided he would meet me at the place I was currently staying for the weekly REQUIRED practice of U.B.F. ‘Bible Study’. Again, I was attending U.b.F. for about a month when one afternoon at our decided ‘Bible Study’ time, the U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ came by the residence where I was currently living and when he entered, he requested a place to lay down. I thought the U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ might be sick and I pointed to him a couch he could go lay down on. However, a couple weeks later at another ‘Bible Study’ he requested again when he entered the residence if he could lay down somewhere and I told him he could go to the same couch. At this point, I thought to myself this is rather odd, especially after he requested that I wake him up as well. Then the next week, we met up at the same time and place as the times before but again he requested for a place to lay down. I referred to it at this point to myself as couch laying and I will best explain my reaction to these odd requests then from the U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ with this video right h http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqjfHsq6vFw&feature=plcpIt was slightly immature, but that was my disposition before Then it began getting real strange. The U.B.F ‘Bible Teacher’ came by at the normal time of day he had in weeks past (late afternoon) for ‘Bible Study’ but this time he made his request to lay down somewhere after we had only been talking for maybe fifteen minutes. It was so awkward for me. He also slept in a strange position I began to realize. He would lay straight up on the couch cushions, with a pillow over his face. This time I told him to take a blanket, because again it was so awkward, however, he refused. I also must mention by this point in attending U.B.F. again, the U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ was seeking to become uncomfortably close with me to the point of even asking my daily schedule during the week and to get him off my back I explained how I had been ill and dealt with that a lot, which was true at the time. Its worth mentioning before this couch laying, in the first month of my return to U.B.F., after a few weeks, the U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ subtlety began to demand that I take a train and a bus to Glen Ellyn from where I was staying in order to hang out all day at the Glen Ellyn U.B.F. ‘Bible House’ and at College of Dupage though I was not a student. I of course said I would rather not, explaining the simple fact I was physically ill and thinking to myself maybe he was just desperate for attendance and finding a use for the Glen Ellyn Bible House that was often empty during the week. Nevertheless moving on, I am a grown man and I have boundaries. The next time I was alone with the U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ driving after this I felt it had gone so far that I needed to make clear that I had impure relations with women in the past, just in case this may be moving towards something else. I am not typing I was certain on making a hinting like this, but rather I was pointing at his unethical demand for the inappropriate closeness he sought. At this point he respond he had thoughts of adultery. What bothered me was that I had missed all this before when I first attended UBF. I realized this some time later after typing this that its our sin eyes and all around sin ways that make us blind to the world that surrounds us. Just like this man who takes the title Bible teacher. Let me continue though, this was a man in UBF revealing a sinful nature who had no business teaching the Bible, all things considered. This made all the more confusing for me at that time for I learned later it was not just the sin he admitted, but it was that he tried to lure me to his belief with sin. Like he had always done in times past in other conversations we had. As if he was some supreme authority that could balance sin. Moving on, the next week there was no couch lying. This would not last though. Several times after this the U.b.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ requested to lay on the couch even after we had been speaking for some time once again. One Friday evening while we were headed out to U.B.F. C.O.D.’s ‘Friday Night Testimony’ meeting, the U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ shared with me out of nowhere how he worried about me. Then he started to explain that he worried at nights sometimes so much so, that he would be kept up by the thought of me and that it forced him to pray. I AM A GROWN MAN! REMEMBER, I FIRST CAME ACROSS U.B.F. C.O.D. TEN YEARS AGO AT C.O.D. AND I WAS SHOCKED BY ALL THIS COMING TO THE SURFACE (not including what else happened concurrently with this at University Bible Fellowship I will later explain)!!! Now…Let me compose myself for this right here, yes sir! I would say total, there were about eight (8) couch laying episodes. However, the final one, along with other incidents had me leave U.B.F. quite hurriedly that I will explain. The U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ in my last days attending U.B.F. began to go into into detail OUT OF NOWHERE during a conversation at my residence then during a ‘Bible Study’ for at least 15 minutes, but what could have been for 2,123 years, on his struggle in the past w self-fornication. AGAIN, I AM A GROWN MAN! I could not believe it, but after all this stuff began I STARTED O FISH I stuck around for what became the realization of why I so long ago had ACCEPTED a false view of God. I never brought up this specific conversation and it was absolutely outrageous. WAS SO UNCOMFORTABLE, AT ONE POINT I THOUGHT HIS FOOT TOUCHED MINE WHEN HE WAS EXPLAINING THIS AND I ALMOST JUMPED OUT OF MY SEAT ONLY TO LOOK UNDER THE TABLE AND SEE IT WAS THE STAND FOR THE GLASS TABLE What more can I say here? Who tries to assert that kind of power over an individual? That only happens in cults. When I tell you right now, if you are in UBF and uncertain read more and read on. They are in a book on it!
MY EXPERIENCE SHARED CONTINUES FROM THE BELOW POST TO THIS TOP POST!
Now, before this becomes a long drawn out thing let me just get it all out. When I fled U.B.F, I found a disturbing email I received from a U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ that I never read (below). In fact, I found many disturbing things. The email is in response to a ‘u.b.f. testimony’ that I typed and emailed to my former U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’. Not long after this the ‘u.b.f. testimony’ was untrue. I never read this message until after I fled U.B.F. and found it in my email inbox).
Thank God for blessing you with the Holy Spirit so that you can repent and receive the mer (mercy) nd Word of God in your heart. I have revised a little in order to convey the message God has given you.
In His grace and blessings,
The U.b.F. ‘bible teacher’ clearly thinks he is God, or like God here. Now I want you to venture down on what took place after I left University Bible Fellowship. It began with a 5 day bonanza of text messages that I received from this U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’. These are them below and my defining of what was taking place from my view of this. These below are just some of the texts I received upon my fleeing U.B.F. and U.B.F. C.O.D. at that time. Note- The first text began around midnight from the U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ (I still have them in my possession). This is not even everything that took place in U.B.F., however, this is what I am willing to share publicly for the time in order avert all the details.
THE ONE WAY-BIZARRE U.B.F. ‘BIBLE TEACHER’ TEXT MESSAGE SENDING’S I WAS STRUCK WITH!!!
At this point after many conversations that had become nearly scolding’s I endured about scripture translation and what his ‘Bible Teacher’ job was and how many other times he had betrayed my confidence and all the strange happenings, I wondered if I could even get the Truth out of the U.B.F. and U.B.F. C.O.D. ‘Bible Teacher’, for I needed to know what I was a part of. I left him a voice mail I was cancelling our next appointment as I planned to never see him again and the U.b.F. ‘bible teacher’ replied to my voice mail that I was cancelling his appointment he made the next day for us with this text message. Its a Scripture Verse of what Jesus said at the Final Super and he sent it at midnigh “Simon, simon, satan has sift you as wheat. But i have prayed for (you), simon, that your faith may not fail. And when u (you) ave turn back strengthen your brothers. Luke 22:.” ‘WHAT A CREEP’, I thought!!! Then this text came the next day from the U.B.F. Bible Teacher………………………..
………….”Jesus said, Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing”……………Yeah that text was really weird, because it came from nowhere and still did not communicate from anything I had sent. The University Bible Fellowship’s ‘Missionary’ and ‘Bible Teacher’s’ text message ramblings came at all hours of the day and night, day after day, even after I text’d him twice that I no longer wanted anything to do with U.B.F. Again with the U.B.F. ‘Missionary’s’ texts having nothing to do with any kind of rational discussion prior and present from my texts, I decided to make him think, and this was the only time, because I was sick of the craziness and had been around the ‘Missionary’ enough that I thought we could come to a common understanding. Now in lightheartedness, but a little annoyed from being harassed by someone who was deceiving me and clearly hiding an agenda that I did not know the extent of until what proceeded, I sent him a text message calling him the almighty one since he was erratically quoting Christ. He then sent this text message………….. “May God guide u (you on the path of peace (and)esus love n (and) orgiveness be in your heart!”……………..I knew for the last two months there was something seriously strange about U.B.F. ‘Leaders’ and the misery of other members, so I was careful to distance myself and I was not at all surprised if it would come to an ugly departure for me from U.B.F. However, actually seeing what was being revealed to me, I realized this was no game at all and I needed to get real far away from this University Bible Fellowship ‘Missionary’ and have no further contact ever with University Bible Fellowship. Then later on he text messages me ……………..”May God be with you to be a new creation”……………..Now after my last response I began to be careful what I sent, because I did not want the University Bible Fellowship ‘Missionary’ and ‘Bible Teacher’ to really get me in the flesh and wanted to know as much as I could on what I had been involved with since my suspicions of U.B.F. had first arisen a few months ago. The following is an admission of everything I was beginning to see in the last couple of months in all U.B.F. leadership. So when I told the U.B.F. ‘Bible Teacher’ again I was attending another Church in the Text Message in the belief he would move on he then responded back and I quote from his text message,
……………….”I believe God planted the gospel in you thru (through) me”……………..
Well, before I share this true story here, I am going to make clear I do not consider these UBF people my friends, for in fact I now consider them enemies, because of their blasphemy. Though they are not right now a threat as other groups that have made the news, they definitely damage the ones in their ranks. And that does not go to claim they could not become a violent group like others. Nevertheless, this is a true story about one of the group members at UBF that pretended to pal around with me. It was obvious, so I didn’t allow myself to feel betrayed thankfully. But that’s just it. I don’t believe it is possible individuals can truly be friends in a cult-like group. It was clear to me that the man that I got to know a little in UBF was not in fact friendly at all but rather a little lonely and maybe trying to fill his own ‘UBF Good Tidings Jar’ by interacting with me. That’s how I figure it, for UBF works by rank and everyone has got to earn their place. Anyhow, I wanted to discuss this fella and his now wife’s arranged marriage. It seems cruel in a way to make this public, but I believe just because someone may have arranged it, doesn’t imply it cannot be something even more. Besides, the truth sets all free. Now let me reiterate this is nowhere near all that happened, but all I will publicly share for the details are many. Those who investigate U.b.F. point to the arrangements, or forced marriages set-up by U.B.F. leaders for their members. This is common practice and in fact is said to be the very significant to the UBF structure. Now, I had been there for a time and I discovered it actually is practiced. Over 10 years ago was when I first met a male who was entering U.B.F. C.O.D. for the first time. Upon my recent return to U.B.F he held the rank of shepherd and was married, but his wife actually had higher rank than him which was Missionary (AGAIN, EVERYONE ACTUALLY HAS RANK AT U.B.F., AND I NEVER REALIZED THIS THE FIRST TIME I ATTENDED U.B.F. BACK THEN UNTIL BEFORE I LEFT AFTER MY RETURN WHEN I WAS REFERRED TO AS A U.B.F. SHEEP). Sure Churches have a hierarchy, but to rank? REALLY? In a couple conversations, I asked him how is marriage came to be, though it was obvious that it had somehow came through U.B.F. when I learned right away she was a South Korean immigrant. She was in fact a member of U.B.F. South Korea (whatever its official title) which is their home base for their organization, even though University Bible Fellowship was evangelized by an American Woman. The story I got from him was he had a difficult time even finding a girlfriend earlier in his time at U.B.F. as he explained (It kind of struck me, because he seemed to me that he would not have a problem meeting a girl). What I understand happened after years of him being single as he explained to me, was arrangements were made for him to go pick a woman up from the airport who was coming in from U.B.F. South Korea. He explained he was late in picking her up, but that eventually they became a couple after this. He would mention to me every now and then how in South Korea it is very undesirable among the people to be unmarried after 30 years of age (Like it is not like that in the U.S.???). What I couldn’t believe was what I witnessed almost every Friday night Testimony! He was made to stand in front of all of us and confess how he was like some failed husband! To me, it appeared quite clearly he spoke from a position as if he was accepting punishment during this time of U.B.F. ‘Friday Night Testimony’. She was often hesitant to speak (GOOD FOR HER I FELT LATER). I couldn’t believe what I was continuing to witness and to see my former U.B.F. to gossip to me about how undisciplined he was one night on a trip back from Chicago made clear it was all a sin body. Not a Church body.THIS TRUTHFUL EXPERIENCE SHARED PUBLICLY CONTINUES IN ORDER FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP OF THIS BLOG.
Ch.3These are some excerpts from one who claims he is a former member who had somewhat significant rank in University Bible Fellowship that I communicated with a while back. These are some of the individuals responses to our prior conversations below I posted. These are the individuals conclusions from what this one claims to have witnessed that are confirmed by no other and I want to make that clear.Subject: UBFisms
“May God be with you to be a new creation”This is a good example of the UBF loaded language, or UBFism. A “new creation” means someone who is loyal to UBF and does not criticize UBF heritage. As you obviously know, that is not what Scripture meant by “new creation”. A “new creation” in UBF is a person who no longer thinks freely for themselves, but obeys absolutely, accepting direction from their shepherd.If you had continued pushing your shepherd, you would have been a candidate for some type of “dead dog training”. Of course such training would be a toned down version of what used to happen to people like you, but obedience training none-the-less.Soon there will be a glossary of UBFisms that explains what all these odd terms mean, as well as the new definitions of normal words that UBF creates (like “rest” becoming “work harder”, etc.)
Amen! I am glad to hear the Spirit is working in you! However, as you found out, that is a terrible thing to UBF people. The reason I left UBF was because the Spirit worked in me, and I was then immediately told that I am spiritually dead. UBF and Holy Spirit are like oil and water; they don’t mix.
Correct: “forced enthusiasm”! My joy and peace are overflowing now that I fled from UBF and surrendered to God’s grace! Unfortunately, such people as us are labelled as “noncoorperative” or in my case “an evil spirit”.
Again, this is very common practice. The director will take over the “shepherding” when big life decisions need to be made.
The whole process is described here: http://freedomofmind.com/Info/infoDet.php?id=543&title=University_Bible_Fellowship
Marriage is the UBF “holy grail”. Before, during and after marriage, they will “train” you and your potential spouse. The goal is to be obedient for life to UBF heritage. If you still are not obedient after marriage, you may be asked to do things like sleep at the center while leaving your wife and children at home (even for a year at a time). Or your wife may be demanded to attend daily meetings in the evening so that she cannot support you or be influenced by your “poison”. In extreme cases of “disobedience”, the threat of divorce will be used
IF UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP HAS NOTHING TO HIDE WHY HAVE THEY HAD TO FORM AN INTERNET COMMITTEE? YES! THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN INTERNET COMMITTEE WHOSE EFFORTS INCLUDE ATTEMPTING TO SILENCE FORMER MEMBERS FROM SHARING THEIR TESTIMONIES ONLINE OF U.B.F. FOR THE PUBLIC TO READ! LOL! IT HAS GONE THIS FAR! I AM NOT JOKING AND I CAN PROVE IT! APPARENTLY UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP HAS FELT THEY NEED TO TAKE THESE MEASURES AND FOR SOME TIME NOW!
After I fled U.b.F. College of Dupage I had to reaffirm my faith and repent for attending and accepting just SOME of the fallacy that was spewed at me. I realized even the manner in which I was made to pray in the presence of U.B.F. leaders was improper and some of my praying to God after what I was taught in U.B.F. that I unfortuantely absorbed, later turned out to be blasphemous as I came to discover (ex].??To raise disciples of Christ?? Wrong word creating a blasphemous chant? RAISE. [Defined] Christ will raise God’s children as His disciples according to THEIR faith. THEN WE -GROW- ARE RAISED-ARE TRANSFROMED-ARE NEWLY CREATED AND RECREATED- BY GOD!). This all came to be after my nightmare experience at University Bible Fellowship College of Dupage that ended after ONLY several months of attendance when I was only seeking a church to be a member of. What had me questioning U.B.F. College of Dupage and all U.B.F. from the beginning was just HOW FAMILIAR and just HOW CLOSE U.B.F. leaders sought to be with me and felt that this behavior was appropriate. Soon it came to a point rather suddenly where it was clear I would not be afforded any boundaries, however, this is nothing compared to what else I experienced, and can prove, and will publicly share.
Let me first begin with what became after I fled U.B.F. College of Dupage upon enduring one distrubing experience after another and a ‘Bible Teacher’ that even claiming he was overbearing, is a VAST understatement! Now, it did not begin like this, it in fact EVOLVED and I will explain this in another posting here! Just after leaving U.b.F and trying to discover what the heck I had been exposed to and what was not at all my intended internet search, but really the work of the Holy Spirit, I soon had been dashed over to websites with many Testimonies from those who were sharing abuse and mistreatment they received by the hands of leadership when they were members of University Bible Fellowship. The Testimonies I came across were from all over, including overseas (and I am sure are still posted online)! I read many of these testimonies and right after I researched U.B.F. myself, I came across a whole bunch of websites of orginizations that actively investigate U.B.F. practices and more. To my amazement their findings answered a whole lot of questions I had about U.B.F. from the start. For instance, did you know that University Bible Fellowship was kicked out of the National Association of Evangelicals (N.A.E.) and was IN FACT resinstated in 2008? Below are some of the websites I came across in my further research. I can only imagine by now as my efforts continue and the attempts to silence me fail, that I am now declared by U.B.F. leaders to have a demon spirit, or a spirit of revenge, or said to be a troubled person who is mentally ill, or described as an ungrateful and lost liar, or all of the above and even worse after experiencing how vindictive and self-righteous U.B.F. leaders can be and how they seek to pass this on to those they deceive. I have to confess I lied on a ‘ubf testimony’ I typed that I suffered from severe mental illness to cover up parts of my past that took place years ago when I skipped a previous Sunday and only did this after the immense amount of pressure put on my by U.B.F. Bible to share my past (‘troubles’) at the following Friday Night Testimony. I am not ashamed to now explain when I first revealed some parts of my past to my former U.b.F ‘Bible Teacher’ of my oppression under drugs and alcohol that he in fact mocked me (which was the juicy determing factor he wanted me to share publicly), and after this on another occassion he even did a chidish an immature pyhsical display meant to degrade me when he was explaining to me that my PRESENT pursuit in prayer for God to complete my joy was actually my efforts as he said of me a, “junkie for God’s joy”. The U.b.F. leaders reinactment was actually him displaying himself as junkie with a needle in his arm that was being pumped with God’s joy while he leaned back having his eyes rolled in his head. NOW I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS WHEN SOMEONE USED NEEDLES, FOR THANKFULLY I NEVER DID! I later refused to share the Testimony (I had been sober for several years and I did not leave much long after this for a Christian Church, HOWEVER, this was not all). I WILL TAKE A LIE DETECTOR TEST IF THAT’S WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO PROVE THAT I AM NOT DECEIVING ANYONE AND I WILL AS WELL SWEAR AN OATH ON SILVER BEFORE THE LORD OF THE TRUTH TO ALL I TESTIFY TO HERE! I am not typing its righteous to lie in any circumstance, but for a moment I became sucked into seeking an alternative explanation that led me down the road of drugs and alcohol in a moment of insecurity to explain away my SHAME before U.B.F. leaders, also known as ‘ubf testimony’ sharing (yes its true lol). So I could understand why they could claim this part about me and I do not care =) . The truth is I have a sound and healthy mind and I am in fact a grateful and joyous child of God. Now that I have finally figured out how to properly use a blog (lol), the work of the Holy Spirit that has been unrelentingly driving the very passion these days to share my experience leaves me with no doubt now when the Lord speaks into me as I type and wants me to state quite clearly, that my efforts serve not to reach those whose hearts are hardened (and know this), but rather those they seek to share in defiling by spreading the plague they receive from that who is most unclean.John 5:31&32 (Jesus) “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. 32 There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.